Citizen Dopers

[fmk_RoI]

Curious for peeps' take on this - what sort of level do you think there is of ordinary Joe and Joan Punters topping up their T just to be weekend warriors?

http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/11/22/2580086/andrew-tilin-the-doper-next-door

 

[L'arriviste]

I do enjoy your Podium Café scribblings.

At first, I thought this seemed kind of ridiculous - a whole level below the masters we've been hearing about on the CN forums lately - and that the guy was just doing it to get himself a book deal: he's a local journo looking to step up his career, right?

But then I figured, why not? If you have a supply and the means to fund it, why not? But there's always a motive. And I think in this case, you'd have to have something properly missing from your personality, a big hole in yourself as it were, to dope as a weekend warrior. Plenty of folks are like that.

 

[fmk_RoI]

I do enjoy your Podium Café scribblings.

At first, I thought this seemed kind of ridiculous - a whole level below the masters we've been hearing about on the CN forums lately - and that the guy was just doing it to get himself a book deal: he's a local journo looking to step up his career, right?

But then I figured, why not? If you have a supply and the means to fund it, why not? But there's always a motive. And I think in this case, you'd have to have something properly missing from your personality, a big hole in yourself as it were, to dope as a weekend warrior. Plenty of folks are like that.

I do think this is diff to stuff like the masters doping. It's low level, in a way more honest, using stuff that's easily available and properly (well, there's an issue) prescribed. This whole notion of society being sold on the need to use testosterone, just cause they're getting old, is interesting.

 

[L'arriviste]

I do think this is diff to stuff like the masters doping. It's low level, in a way more honest, using stuff that's easily available and properly (well, there's an issue) prescribed. This whole notion of society being sold on the need to use testosterone, just cause they're getting old, is interesting.

+1. There have been suggestions that it's already de rigueur in Hollywood - a sort of Plastic Surgery 2.0 - and the only barriers for the moment are medical controls and relatively high costs.

But it's only a matter of time. Whatever's cool in Hollywood ...

 

[Berzin]

"Wonder how aggressively @usantidoping will come out against the author of this filth."-Joe Papp

Wonder why Papp said this on Twitter after agreeing to write the forward to the book.

 

[Deagol]

I wonder if anyone else feels this is another reason to not race anymore.. potentially competing against unknown dopers.

I thought it was a good article. Here is a good quote from another articleabout the same guy on Outside magazine:


(the author is taking testosterone to cheat in bike races and to reseach doping)

I wasn't surprised by my aggro disposition. For weeks, I'd sensed that the T was making me edgy. Small things ticked me off, and my family sometimes incurred my verbal wrath.

This reminds me of someone more famous, but that's another story ...

 

[fmk_RoI]

"Wonder how aggressively @usantidoping will come out against the author of this filth."-Joe Papp

Wonder why Papp said this on Twitter after agreeing to write the forward to the book.

I did like that bit.

But you could also ask why Tilin left it until Jan this year to start talking to USADA ...

 

[fmk_RoI]

I wonder if anyone else feels this is another reason to not race anymore.. potentially competing against unknown dopers.

Hardly. The only person you're really competing against is yourself.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Added an interview with Tilin http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/11/23/2580112/Andrew-Tilin-Interview

 

[cyclingnutz]

I'm sorry, this guy is an idiot. His entire experiment is worthless from a scientific standpoint. There is no way to determine how much he gained from dope or from upping his training.

There are plenty of amateur riders that work hard and don't resort to doping. Than, there are DBs like this guy that need attention and will do anything to get it. I love that he had to beg USADA to sanction him.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I wonder if anyone else feels this is another reason to not race anymore.. potentially competing against unknown dopers.

I thought it was a good article. Here is a good quote from another articleabout the same guy on Outside magazine:


(the author is taking testosterone to cheat in bike races and to reseach doping)

I wasn't surprised by my aggro disposition. For weeks, I'd sensed that the T was making me edgy. Small things ticked me off, and my family sometimes incurred my verbal wrath.

This reminds me of someone more famous, but that's another story ...

who? The man from down under?