Clean Aussie Pro's

[MellowJohnny]

Following on from the Stuey mate post, I wanted to know who were/are the clean Aussie pros out there. Its probably too negative to state the one's that aren't not (or at least have big suspicions) but I thought I'd give it a go. Not wishing to pick on Australian's they are some of my favorite riders, its just interesting the largest Anglo group of riders in the pelaton and also the furthest away from pro cycling Europe. Here goes:

Cadel Evans
Adam Hansen
Mark Renshaw
Luke Roberts
Simon Gerrans
Richie Porte
Simon Clarke
Matt Goss
David Mckenzie
Graeme Brown


Dare I hope

Allan Peiper
Phil Anderson
Robbie McEwen

 

[blackcat]

Stuey mate. the rest I cant vouch for. Stuey mate tho. cleans. definitely.

 

[blackcat]

Following on from the Stuey mate post, I wanted to know who were/are the clean Aussie pros out there. Its probably too negative to state the one's that aren't not (or at least have big suspicions) but I thought I'd give it a go. Not wishing to pick on Australian's they are some of my favorite riders, its just interesting the largest Anglo group of riders in the pelaton and also the furthest away from pro cycling Europe. Here goes:

Cadel Evans
Adam Hansen
Mark Renshaw
Luke Roberts
Simon Gerrans
Richie Porte
Simon Clarke
Matt Goss
David Mckenzie
Graeme Brown


Dare I hope

Allan Peiper
Phil Anderson
Robbie McEwen

yeah, I reckon LRP is cleans too.

 

[pastronef]

I know one: Nick Squillari @tinea_pedis

 

[TourOfTexas]

Either Goss is clean or he just forgot what drugs to use after his MSR win.

 

[thrawn]

All Australian's are clean, everyone knows that!

 

[Froomster]

The fat guy I saw in Orica GE lycras huffing and puffing his way up a hill last Sunday morning - he's clean!

 

[Archibald]

Re:

All Australian's are clean, everyone knows that!

of course they are - all shower far more than the brits
except for LRP who's fallen in with the English crowd...

 

[blackcat]

Re:

All Australian's are clean, everyone knows that!

this.

anglophones. something about the dna. cleans.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

All our pros are regulated under state laws, and clean. You should, however, always consider using protection before seeking their services.

 

[42x16ss]

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

 

[42x16ss]

Gerrans????? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

When did the nickname "Bling" come into being? I was under the impression his family had money? You know, the kind that can buy you anything you want?

 

[sniper]

Heiko Salzwedel is an interesting person.
From East Germany to Australia.
Wonder what kind of 'knowledge' he brought along with him.
Anybody know more about that guy and his role in Australian cycling?

 

[ebandit]

starting with cadel................ending with peiper..big phil...........'n robbie i gotta say you're having a laarrrfffff....................

................next you will be saying aussies only ever compete for their love of sport and the great outdoors..........

...........and that fosters lager is by far the best beer in the whole world.........

Mark L

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

Heiko Salzwedel is an interesting person.
From East Germany to Australia.
Wonder what kind of 'knowledge' he brought along with him.
Anybody know more about that guy and his role in Australian cycling?

In 2012 he founded the Russian professional cycling team RusVelo.[5] RusVelo is Professional Continental Cycling team with main focus on the track events and the Olympic Games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiko_Salzwedel

Updated: July 13, 2013 5:21am
The Russian RusVelo team is under pressure to serve a period of self suspension after it confirmed that three riders had tested positive for the asthma medication Fenoterol.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rusvelo-face-four-week-suspension-after-three-positives-for-asthma-drug

http://www.dopeology.org/teams/RusVelo/

Does not appear on the RusVelo team page on dopeology for some reason (?)

 

[hrotha]

Either Goss is clean or he just forgot what drugs to use after his MSR win.

Considering how a significant number of HTC riders went backwards when that team folded (or simply were at their all-time best at HTC, even if they managed to stay elite), I'd say the latter is a distinct possibility.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

When did the nickname "Bling" come into being? I was under the impression his family had money? You know, the kind that can buy you anything you want?

It's from him liking loud stuff - his earrings, clothes off the bike, tattoos etc. He got it as an U23

What I'm saying with his effort at Bright is that it was so soon after starting he had no idea if he was good, let alone that good. He would have had no idea re: doping

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

In 2012 he founded the Russian professional cycling team RusVelo.[5] RusVelo is Professional Continental Cycling team with main focus on the track events and the Olympic Games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiko_Salzwedel

Updated: July 13, 2013 5:21am
The Russian RusVelo team is under pressure to serve a period of self suspension after it confirmed that three riders had tested positive for the asthma medication Fenoterol.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rusvelo-face-four-week-suspension-after-three-positives-for-asthma-drug

http://www.dopeology.org/teams/RusVelo/

Does not appear on the RusVelo team page on dopeology for some reason (?)

interesting.

He's also the man behind Cavendish, bringing him into the T-Mobile development team.
Here's Salzwedel in 2007 explaining why he went to Britain in search of talent:

I have never given up hope of clean cycling. In this respect one can perhaps call me naive optimists. I have always taught my drivers that it also goes without doping and have spoken openly to them about it. I try to give them psychological stability, the self-confidence that it can be done without doping. I have the hope of a new generation of drivers who grows up in a "drug-free environment." Looking for drivers for the T-Mobile-Development Program I also particularly looked around in the UK because I knew from my own experience that the environment is "clean" there.

When asked why he never went on to coach a pro-team but rather kept working for national federations:

The work with the national associations of different countries appeared to me the fairest. My key experience I had when I emigrated in 1990 after Australia and me the local Institute of Sport underwent a "screening". I was interrogated and downright investigated on my work as a trainer in the former GDR.

also says you can win the tour clean, and speak of the importance of nutrition.
all in all very much sounds like a cleans-cycling pioneer. All the british cycling talking points are there.
http://www.radsport-news.com/sport/sportnews_43685.htm

bit more background:

Salzwedel, 57, has just embarked on his third tour of duty at British Cycling, having first worked thereunder Peter Keen from 2000‑02 – he notes that when he first arrived at the Manchester velodrome the surroundings were worse than in his old home country, East Germany – and then returned under Dave Brailsford between 2008-10. In between times he has achieved notable improvements with three nations, Denmark, Russia and Switzerland.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/08/heiko-salzwedel-british-cycling-rio-2016-olympics

 

[sniper]

Danish national track coach Heiko Salzwedel is leaving his current post when his contract expires on December 31. Salzwedel has been in charge of the national track team since 2005, overseeing its most successful period ever.

With Russia/RusVelo he was les succesful though. 2 bronze medals at the 2012 games.
(i'm still LOL-ing at Britain's 8 gold medals)

edit: realize this is getting off-topic. Mods, perhaps move to any random Wiggins thread?
Salzwedel just not interesting enough to have his own thread.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

yes,i remember that result. he was like gerro wasnt he, came across from motorcross?
another piece to that, a devils advocate, wasnt Leigh Howard climbing with the front group too as a 17yo trackie who won the Oppy and the Austral over the previous summer, he has the speed, but like alot, LH might have found the european way of life too tough to counter even in an australian team.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

yes,i remember that result. he was like gerro wasnt he, came across from motorcross?
another piece to that, a devils advocate, wasnt Leigh Howard climbing with the front group too as a 17yo trackie who won the Oppy and the Austral over the previous summer, he has the speed, but like alot, LH might have found the european way of life too tough to counter even in an australian team.

Not on the big stuff. Even at 19 Howard wasn't quite climbing on the big climbs at races like Tour of Tas.Porte, Ford, Bobridge and Durbridge were some of the guys putting big time on him.

He had a massive sprint though and got over most hills. Actually, he's another who could well be clean, he hasn't really improved too much in the last few years. At 20/21 it looked like he was really going places.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

The only big name Aussie I think is 100% plausible (not necessarily clean, but plausible) is Michael Matthews. Monsterous talent as junior.

2007(?) Tour of Bright, on the main mountain stage that year (Mt Beauty to Falls Creek IIRC) B grade started 5 minutes after A grade - which gets riders right up to top NRS guys - the main group of 25-30 guys gets in, almost 10minutes behind the stage winner. They were being paced by a skinny 15/16yo kid from B Grade. A few of us got talking to him afterwards and it turned out that he'd only been racing a few months and riding less than a year. This was the first time he'd ridden a climb longer than 4-5 Km!

This kid took at least 5 minutes out of the main A grade bunch and some time on all of us except for the top 4-5 on the stage. So yeah, Matthews. Even if he's not squeaky clean there's massive natural ability.

yes,i remember that result. he was like gerro wasnt he, came across from motorcross?
another piece to that, a devils advocate, wasnt Leigh Howard climbing with the front group too as a 17yo trackie who won the Oppy and the Austral over the previous summer, he has the speed, but like alot, LH might have found the european way of life too tough to counter even in an australian team.

Not on the big stuff. Even at 19 Howard wasn't quite climbing on the big climbs at races like Tour of Tas.Porte, Ford, Bobridge and Durbridge were some of the guys putting big time on him.

He had a massive sprint though and got over most hills. Actually, he's another who could well be clean, he hasn't really improved too much in the last few years. At 20/21 it looked like he was really going places.

think he lost melbourne to ballarat in about 2010 or 2009 to a melbourne A grader of no real repute but a good kick. what about the pursuiter ford, not will ford, miles olman's buddy, former IP wr in jnrs. michael? think he became a bodybuilder

 

[frenchfry]

This is a thread that is destined to go nowhere.

 

[sniper]

you might be on to something there.