Clean french cycling

[Franklin]

And this is why people like me have no faith at all.

http://www.equipe-sojasun.com/le-staff/

 

[blackcat]

clean french cycling is a dichotomy.

its like
new clean cycling


myth

 

[Gregga]

Lebreton and Heulot were on EPO in 1996... just to follow the crazy peloton
Francis Lafargue was with Delgado & Big Mig since I've watched races in the mid 80's.. sure he knows much about what a "professional" team is. This said, Heulot is a smart guy, a bit Vaughters-like, not Riis for sure.

 

[hrotha]

Let's see:
Heulot - most likely doped (like, 99% sure)
Jan, Lebreton - low profile ex-pros, probably doped at some point

OK, but honestly, former pros having doped in the 90s isn't that troubling to me, personally. I have much more of an issue with this:
Francis Lafargue
Key man at Banesto.

Can't comment on anyone else though.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

And this is why people like me have no faith at all.

http://www.equipe-sojasun.com/le-staff/

Menuet?

Part of the reason why so few teams (none?) raises question about some of the recent performances seems to come back to "we are doing it ourself".

 

[Franklin]

Menuet?

Part of the reason why so few teams (none?) raises question about some of the recent performances seems to come back to "we are doing it ourself".

The first one who noticed the biggest problem!

Seems people forget the Cofidis scandal beyond "David Millar".

 

[hrotha]

The first one who noticed the biggest problem!

Seems people forget the Cofidis scandal beyond "David Millar".

Can you summarize his role in that fiasco?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The first one who noticed the biggest problem!

Seems people forget the Cofidis scandal beyond "David Millar".

There are way too many dope doctors in circulation.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is probably a good thread to put this link in about the European Cycling Union's new French President: http://www.insidethegames.biz/sport...ected-new-president-of-european-cycling-union

And his work in French cycling as a UCI management committee member: http://inrng.com/2013/03/lappartient-uec-vote-uci/ Note well, he too wants to replicate the Sky/GB Cycling, USPS/USA Cycling programs in France. Trouble.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Can you summarize his role in that fiasco?

From Moller's book "Scapegoat" re Michael Rasmussen - In the early part of the book, Moller writes about Millar & the Cofidis scandal:

According to Gaumont's testimony, Millar ordered [team Doctor] Menuet to give the remainder of his product to Gaumont and another Cofidis rider, Cedric Vasseur. "On the orders of Millar, Menuet injected us with the clear liquid", Gaumont said, "If Menuet agreed to do this, it is because Millar asked him. He is the team leader and has a lot of power over the other riders and over Menuet."

This is apparently part of Philippe Gaumont's testimony to Judge Richard Pallain re the Cofidis affair. Gaumont's testimony led to the police later searching Millar's home, finding the EPO syringes, and arresting Millar.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

And this is why people like me have no faith at all.

http://www.equipe-sojasun.com/le-staff/

Did you hack my PC?

Sojasun was on MY list...

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/jan04/jan13news2

Meneut

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/blog-gianetti-is-ingrained-with-doping-17649/

Heulot I believe in somehow

crying like a baby, 1996.

 

[skippy]

" According to Gaumont's testimony, Millar ordered [team Doctor] Menuet to give the remainder of his product to Gaumont and another Cofidis rider, Cedric Vasseur. "On the orders of Millar, Menuet injected us with the clear liquid", Gaumont said, "If Menuet agreed to do this, it is because Millar asked him. He is the team leader and has a lot of power over the other riders and over Menuet."

So we have Millar & Vasseur leading the PUBLIC to THINK that " Cycle Road Racing " is CLEANER ?

Cleaner than when they were using ?

Why are those in the Clinic ignoring ways to make their views CLEAR to the Peloton ?

Time that something constructive was done !

Whining & posting suspicions has acheived NOTHING !

of course " petitions " are already there , but , WHY NOT CREATE something that ALL can subscribe ?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why are those in the Clinic ignoring ways to make their views CLEAR to the Peloton ?

Time that something constructive was done !

Whining & posting suspicions has acheived NOTHING !

of course " petitions " are already there , but , WHY NOT CREATE something that ALL can subscribe ?

Like what exactly? The UCI has a worldwide monopoly on competitive cycling. They aren't going anywhere. **Plenty** of idiots with money for Pat, Hein and Co to exploit along with their IOC funding means there's really nothing to stop them.

What do you propose?

 

[Benotti69]

" According to Gaumont's testimony, Millar ordered [team Doctor] Menuet to give the remainder of his product to Gaumont and another Cofidis rider, Cedric Vasseur. "On the orders of Millar, Menuet injected us with the clear liquid", Gaumont said, "If Menuet agreed to do this, it is because Millar asked him. He is the team leader and has a lot of power over the other riders and over Menuet."

So we have Millar & Vasseur leading the PUBLIC to THINK that " Cycle Road Racing " is CLEANER ?

Cleaner than when they were using ?

Why are those in the Clinic ignoring ways to make their views CLEAR to the Peloton ?

Time that something constructive was done !

Whining & posting suspicions has acheived NOTHING !

of course " petitions " are already there , but , WHY NOT CREATE something that ALL can subscribe ?

I guess that most of the peloton who can read English check in to read the clinic on a regular basis. Those who cant will hear about it if they get a mention.