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Benotti69

Benotti69

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When one Cycling Ireland's Commissaires from the small tiny cycling nation is tweeting this.....

Edward Keogh @EagleEyeEd
@DickinsonTimes @jacob_haislund Cycling is as bad as ever they have just moved on to newer methods or micro dosing
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......it confirms the sport is still a cesspit.
 
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Good piece re Riis, but also for its commenting on the dopers that remain in the sport. I read that 15 pct of the Giro peloton this year were caught dopers (and who knows how many never caught), then we have the management and even the media (more and more dopers in the commentary boxes). I still have no idea why anyone with a working brain assumes that dopers just give up like they say they do when they get caught or outed? It's not how their brains are wired. And none of them really thinks they did anything wrong. The UCI allows it (well its also difficult for them they cant just make up rules and the rules are too lax from WADA), but more importantly the fans and the sponsors continue to support this situation. Is there a "clean" team out there ie without a doper (or ex) on the payroll? The testing may make it harder for the newer riders to figure out how to not test positive, but for the old hands I'm sure it's pretty simple to beat the testers, tests, and bio pass. And even if one gets caught good chance to get back to the lucrative business after a short suspension.

http://laflammerouge.com/

Google translated:

"That is why I strongly oppose allowing ex-doped gain an important role in the cycling world pro or semi-pro.

The temptation is too great because in the minds of these people, there are "essential" to win.

What indeed with runners who, after years of training and sacrifice, are right there in the anteroom of the pros or just a small level clinch great results? Having had even shamelessly crossed the border, I remain they are quicker to make clear to others.

As for Riis, this is an insult to human intelligence: he wandered gullible fans for years, if not a decade, repeating that it was because he had doped her he did not dopait runners."
 
S2Sturges

S2Sturges

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melkemugg said:
Who said it is the cleanest year ever? This year is a party!
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Yep, the door to the chemist's was left unlocked and everyone helped themselves, by the looks of it
 
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S2Sturges said:
melkemugg said:
Who said it is the cleanest year ever? This year is a party!
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Yep, the door to the chemist's was left unlocked and everyone helped themselves, by the looks of it
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True story bro, enough is enough, UCI said themselves, allowed Astana to continue, and decided there will be no pre-Tour small fishes thrown under the bus. Now the only question is who was chosen to be champion. Did Olga pay for it? Enough? Astana looked so far like that they obey the rule (allowed to continue but banned from winning anything => that's way this crazy display of the team and individual power, suicidal attacks followed by "mistakes" designed to be so ridiculous that everyone understands) - but what if? Imagine Nibs going out from 100k+ with two teammates upfront in the break of the day... can actually happen even if they don't want to go for overall and risk to annoy the officials so much that they will expose them.
 
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Beech Mtn

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Is Kittel serving a version of silent ban? With German TV deal saying they'd pull the Tour if a German tested positive, there's lots of reason to protect German riders.

(I think there's an ancient Kittel thread somewhere, but it's hard to find old things on the new forum.)
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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Beech Mtn said:
Is Kittel serving a version of silent ban? With German TV deal saying they'd pull the Tour if a German tested positive, there's lots of reason to protect German riders.

(I think there's an ancient Kittel thread somewhere, but it's hard to find old things on the new forum.)
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It's certainly the longest holiday served by a non-banned, UV blood treated rider.
 
42x16ss

42x16ss

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Then there's Degenkolb, Kristoff and Porte's spring, Spilak peaking like clockwork yet again for Romandie + Suisse, Froome riding himself into form in the Dauphine like it's a spring camp, Contador's supersonic ascent on the Mortirolo.

Something tells me this Tour is going to be a showdown of '07 or maybe even '03 proportions. All the ingredients are there for it.
 
hrotha

hrotha

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Beech Mtn said:
Is Kittel serving a version of silent ban? With German TV deal saying they'd pull the Tour if a German tested positive, there's lots of reason to protect German riders.
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Faking an injury would be much easier. Personally I don't think this kind of silent bans where the rider keeps racing are a thing or that they make sense.
 
BYOP88

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I'd say last year was clean :D, aside from the stains in Froome's underwear as he approached the cobbles/
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
2008 was the cleanest year in recent memories. I say that with a straight face.
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The cleanest year is always the one with the most wins from a Norwegian rider, and you know it.
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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Libertine Seguros said:
2008 was the cleanest year in recent memories. I say that with a straight face.
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When you look at the top 10 of each of the 2008 Grand Tours, it really does not paint a 'clean' picture at all nor even hint at one.
 
hrotha

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And which year does? That's not what LS is talking about - it's more about the figures, how new the biological passport still was and the fact that ASO had actual antidoping people in charge who didn't allow the UCI to get too close to their TdF tests. In other words, while the total number of dopers might well have been similar to the 2007 and 2009 figures, chances are they were getting a smaller boost.
 
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The_Cheech

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Benotti69 said:
When one Cycling Ireland's Commissaires from the small tiny cycling nation is tweeting this.....

Edward Keogh @EagleEyeEd
@DickinsonTimes @jacob_haislund Cycling is as bad as ever they have just moved on to newer methods or micro dosing
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......it confirms the sport is still a cesspit.
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Micro-dosing?? Froome missing a test is proof that riders are back to full dosages. The only reason anyone would microdose is if you somehow know a test is coming and you need to taper off the stuff quickly (in-competition). People missing tests is proof that these folks are glowing like the Chernobyl nuclear facility on 26/04/86.

If I remember correctly, I am pretty certain I read somewhere that an anti-doping authority, under the condition of anonimity, expressed his/her concern that the # of water samples were rearing their ugly head again. These are urine samples that have been contaminated by some kind of outside source, and virtually turned into water. Manzano made mention of the little red pill they would put under their foreskin prior to urinating... This is Kelme-years doping.

I would like to know how many tests Alberto and the other TdF contenders have missed in the past 6 months.

This TdF is going to be one for the record books.
 
SeriousSam

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Missing tests doesn't prove anything, and there can be perfectly legitimate reasons to miss a test, which is why they can miss a few without excuse.

Of course, that opens the door for athletes to strategically use their allowed missed tests. No doubt they do that, but that doesn't allow one to reliably dope. It just allows you to take more risks until you've used up your get out of jail free cards. Reliable and prolonged doping must instead be based on beign able to pass the test while doping and/or being able to accurately predict when the testers will show up.
 
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The_Cheech

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SeriousSam said:
Missing tests doesn't prove anything, and there can be perfectly legitimate reasons to miss a test, which is why they can miss a few without excuse.
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In the case of Froome it DID mean something because he apealed his missed test with the pertinent sanctioning body and lost. Meaning the panel basically told him "Chris, please, don't pretend we are fools". The guy updated the whereabouts form and then basically went off the radar.

Of course, that opens the door for athletes to strategically use their allowed missed tests. No doubt they do that, but that doesn't allow one to reliably dope. No, reliable doping must be based on beign able to pass the test while doping and being able to accuruately predict when the testers will show up.
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How many times did Froome get tested out of competition?
 
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