Concussions

[Boeing]

It is clear that the world of sport is taking head trauma injuries more seriously lately.

Sydney Crosby, Justin Morneu, Taylor Phinney, All taking recovery precautions not seen in recent past...pick an NFL player

Martin318is pointed out that Australian footballer (AFL) is seeking compensation for brain damage that was caused by over 23 concussions in under 15 years while playing.

Google the names Dave Duerson, Owen Thomas, Austin Trenum (high school football plaer) and you will see that concussions are linked to suicide. A tragic outcome at any level.

Madded 2012 will have a post concussion game re-entry test in it's video games

I have had what were described as concussions on 3 previous occasions. Once in High School playing basket ball, once in a car wreck and once in a road bike crash. All I can add is that I can't find my car in the parking lot now and again but whatever. not to poke fun at it at all. My brother had 3 concussions playing high school football. It was the "play through it era" and he did but did not return for his Sr season because of head aches. I personally think it changed him but I am close. he is ok however now but who knows when he is a pensioner.

Questions I haves: Who's responsibility is it to monitor and govern head trauma at the professional level? or at any level for that matter? Is it the participant/player? Team? Organizational league? Government?

For example take Phinney. I do not pretend to know the circumstances regarding his condition and his return. But for the sake of discussion, who who exactly has the last word? Some might question if Flanders is the best race to run post concussion...

Sydney Crosby. Arguably the most significant figure in the NHL. No one sells more Merch, tickets, or single handedly turn the playoff picture upside down if he plays or not. No doubt with the play offs looming the NHL needs him on the ice

A player might want to come back into a game before a coach lets him and visa versa..

finish your contract and it is good bye

years down the road if an athlete is unemployable because of his condition how is he or she compensated

I have been thinking about this for some time. But when I read about Madden 2012 and Taylor Phinney it became a fresh topic again.

I would appreciate personal experience and any opinions

peace

 

[Just Some Dude]

I must have....

...crashed.

I remember starting the race, and then next thing I remember it's like a fog was lifting and I realized that I was in a friend's car, holding a mashed Giro in my lap. I was battered and scraped and was no longer in my bike clothes.

"What happened?" I asked my friend.

"You ask that one more time and we ARE taking you to the hospital."

"Oh.." I said.

 

[oldborn]

I had never head trauma, but i feel like i did.

For a first thought i can remember Croatian greatest athletes by some, boxer Mate Parlov, Olympic and World Champion, he died at 60. 2008.
He did not won Casius so he retired as semi-world champion as he admited.

It was sad looking him on rare interviews, so slow and blury
So someone say that box is not so dangereus

What about Casius? Is boxing cause Parkinson s?

 

[brianf7]

UCI rules even at club level is clear if the injury is above the neck you stop riding imediatly the race commisair have the right to call an Ambulance if there is none there .

You sign to agree to the rules when you apply for a licence.

They also tell you that you must have ambulance cover but they dont tell you that you can claim from the Cycling insurance for the ambo.

The issue is to stop arguments on the steps of the ambulance so basicaly if you refuse an ambulance you have no claim on the medical insurance.

I hit a police car head on in a race but I was out cold for 36 hours when i woke up all I wanted was to check out my bike.
I tried to ride two weeks later but they wouldnt let me start they claimed the concusion swelling was preventing me from being able to see. If they cant see my eyes then I cant see to ride so they thought.
looked like a british bulldog

 

[slartiblartfast]

You are correct in stating that professional football codes are starting to take the issue of repeated concussions/head trauma more seriously. Here in Australia the two biggest codes are Australian Rules and Rugby League.

We are used to seeing players getting head injuries, staggering off the field in the arms of the medics with an obviously diminished level of consciousness and then coming back on a few minutes later! Team doctors are obviously under pressure to let the player back on. There is now talk of having independent medics/doctors on hand to make the final assessment in this scenario.

Senior players in the codes I mentioned generally do not wear helmets or headgear, but the head trauma statistics in American Football are just as bad despite the mandatory helmets. Apparently this is because until recently it was accepted practice in American Football to use the helmet as an offensive weapon.

 

[Boeing]

UCI rules even at club level is clear if the injury is above the neck you stop riding imediatly the race commisair have the right to call an Ambulance if there is none there .

You sign to agree to the rules when you apply for a licence.

They also tell you that you must have ambulance cover but they dont tell you that you can claim from the Cycling insurance for the ambo.

The issue is to stop arguments on the steps of the ambulance so basicaly if you refuse an ambulance you have no claim on the medical insurance.

I hit a police car head on in a race but I was out cold for 36 hours when i woke up all I wanted was to check out my bike.
I tried to ride two weeks later but they wouldnt let me start they claimed the concusion swelling was preventing me from being able to see. If they cant see my eyes then I cant see to ride so they thought.
looked like a british bulldog

I am not so sure the rules are clear or universal as you propose. given the recent events

 

[mewmewmew13]

I had never head trauma, but i feel like i did.

For a first thought i can remember Croatian greatest athletes by some, boxer Mate Parlov, Olympic and World Champion, he died at 60. 2008.
He did not won Casius so he retired as semi-world champion as he admited.

It was sad looking him on rare interviews, so slow and blury
So someone say that box is not so dangereus

What about Casius? Is boxing cause Parkinson s?

Yes, it is known that Parkinson's can be caused now by trauma to the head. Cassius (Ali) is but one example.
Our pro American footballers are sadly having some controversy because the aging athletes from the football leagues are left without much compensation in their retirement and many have developed dementia and Parkinson's. (guess I should google some stories and links).

BTW, the Phinneys suspect that Davis' Parkinson's was brought on by his crash through a car windsheild when he was a pro.

http://www.howtobefit.com/davis-phinney.htm
very good article .

 

[mewmewmew13]

UCI rules even at club level is clear if the injury is above the neck you stop riding imediatly the race commisair have the right to call an Ambulance if there is none there .

You sign to agree to the rules when you apply for a licence.

They also tell you that you must have ambulance cover but they dont tell you that you can claim from the Cycling insurance for the ambo.

The issue is to stop arguments on the steps of the ambulance so basicaly if you refuse an ambulance you have no claim on the medical insurance.

I hit a police car head on in a race but I was out cold for 36 hours when i woke up all I wanted was to check out my bike.
I tried to ride two weeks later but they wouldnt let me start they claimed the concusion swelling was preventing me from being able to see. If they cant see my eyes then I cant see to ride so they thought.
looked like a british bulldog

wow I think you were lucky. glad that you're here, among others' stories here also..

 

[redtreviso]

Yes, it is known that Parkinson's can be caused now by trauma to the head. Cassius (Ali) is but one example.
Our pro American footballers are sadly having some controversy because the aging athletes from the football leagues are left without much compensation in their retirement and many have developed dementia and Parkinson's. (guess I should google some stories and links).

BTW, the Phinneys suspect that Davis' Parkinson's was brought on by his crash through a car windsheild when he was a pro.

http://www.howtobefit.com/davis-phinney.htm
very good article .

Davis had a history of running into the back of cars before the windshield episode..

 

[mewmewmew13]

Davis had a history of running into the back of cars before the windshield episode..

ya, still multiple head bonks

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

It is clear that the world of sport is taking head trauma injuries more seriously lately.

Questions I haves: Who's responsibility is it to monitor and govern head trauma at the professional level? or at any level for that matter? Is it the participant/player? Team? Organizational league? Government?

Risks due to head trauma are too great to ignore. For someone who has had many or one or more serious concussions, a little rap on the *** could mean the end.

Obviously the player/participant cannot be expected to monitor their own condition. Often they don't even know that there is something wrong.

Government would not be my preference, but in some countries that might be a fair fit. I'm just not in favor of tax dollars going toward Governmental involvement in such things.

The team has to be ultimately responsible for monitoring the condition of it's participants. But there has to be some standard that all teams must comply with in regard to monitoring, treatment, and permission to return a team member to action. If standards were left to teams, there would be no consistency. So the league organization or governing body would have to jointly (with team input) come up with a standard that protects team members.

 

[Archibald]

I had never head trauma, but i feel like i did.

For a first thought i can remember Croatian greatest athletes by some, boxer Mate Parlov, Olympic and World Champion, he died at 60. 2008.
He did not won Casius so he retired as semi-world champion as he admited.

It was sad looking him on rare interviews, so slow and blury
So someone say that box is not so dangereus

What about Casius? Is boxing cause Parkinson s?

Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's long before he retired, but it was kept quiet, so no, it's not the cause. No doubt by continuing in the sport as long as he did as his ability declined through age would not have helped the situation.

Boxing has one of the more stringent head trauma 'rules' concerning how soon you can return to the sport - 30 days minimum. Compare that with the likes of AFL where you can be in the next match...

 

[Boeing]

I had never head trauma, but i feel like i did.

is that anything like reading a post from coachfergie?

 

[oldborn]

is that anything like reading a post from coachfergie?

I do not read it anymore, boring as Royal wedding

 

[usedtobefast]

I do not read it anymore, boring as Royal wedding

that is boring, wow!

 

[mewmewmew13]

Ali was diagnosed with Parkinson's long before he retired, but it was kept quiet, so no, it's not the cause. No doubt by continuing in the sport as long as he did as his ability declined through age would not have helped the situation.

Boxing has one of the more stringent head trauma 'rules' concerning how soon you can return to the sport - 30 days minimum. Compare that with the likes of AFL where you can be in the next match...

I am not an expert on Ali's history by any means, but just because he was diagnosed before he retired, does that preclude that repetitive blows and trauma to his head were not responsible for the onset?

 

[Archibald]

I am not an expert on Ali's history by any means, but just because he was diagnosed before he retired, does that preclude that repetitive blows and trauma to his head were not responsible for the onset?

plenty of folk have been boxing or even just clocked loads of times and don't have it.
Michael J Fox never boxed in his life yet has it.

I think linking a neurological disorder and boxing is a stretch simply because a very well known boxer has this disease. I'd have little doubt that the boxing has affected Ali's condition, but how much is Parkinson's and how much is boxing is something that will only ever be speculation

On the Michael J Fox case, there's three other members for the cast and crew from his first ever tv series that have been diagnosed with Parkinson's, which has prompted researchers towards there being more of an environmental element to the disease - as in something in the common environment of this group of people that four of them that were susceptible to in triggering the disease...

 

[mewmewmew13]

plenty of folk have been boxing or even just clocked loads of times and don't have it.
Michael J Fox never boxed in his life yet has it.

I think linking a neurological disorder and boxing is a stretch simply because a very well known boxer has this disease. I'd have little doubt that the boxing has affected Ali's condition, but how much is Parkinson's and how much is boxing is something that will only ever be speculation

On the Michael J Fox case, there's three other members for the cast and crew from his first ever tv series that have been diagnosed with Parkinson's, which has prompted researchers towards there being more of an environmental element to the disease - as in something in the common environment of this group of people that four of them that were susceptible to in triggering the disease...

Interesting on the MJF case...I had never heard that. Or just may be odds/ statistics at play....There may be, as is usually the case, some individuals whom have a predisposition for developing a disease or affliction. The head trauma may in fact be simply a part of or an exacerbating factor in the development of Parkinson's.

I do know that the Phinneys believe the crash(es) were probable cause for Davis' onset of PD, and hope that in a short time causal factors may be indentified in aiding research and finding a cure/ better treatment.

 

[Archibald]

Interesting on the MJF case...I had never heard that. Or just may be odds/ statistics at play....There may be, as is usually the case, some individuals whom have a predisposition for developing a disease or affliction. The head trauma may in fact be simply a part of or an exacerbating factor in the development of Parkinson's.

I do know that the Phinneys believe the crash(es) were probable cause for Davis' onset of PD, and hope that in a short time causal factors may be indentified in aiding research and finding a cure/ better treatment.

not sure if you can find it, but there's a really interesting doco on PD with MJF, which is where the info on the cast n crew is mentioned. He's like a host/example. I saw it on the ABC (Aust) several years ago.
They go into quite a lot of detail on PD - what it is, does, probable causes - but head trauma isn't something that they bring up in connection with it, even when they cover Ali.

 

[rickshaw]

my very minor two cents worth

I had a solo crash about 20 years ago. Banged my face very hard, did not pass out (that I know, I was alone) but was very woozy. For years I was convinced that I saw the crash just before it happened. I saw the future. As I have learned more about brain functioning, I now think the head trama simply scrambled time perception.

 

[durianrider]

#Thats why I wear my helmet even when riding in countries that dont require one legally. Helmets are so light and vented now that one is crazy not to wear one all the time.

#Pro sports is all about hooking them in, chewing them up and spitting them out when they cant 'perform'. Give em fame and money and thats enough according to the status quo.

 

[craig1985]

#Thats why I wear my helmet even when riding in countries that dont require one legally. Helmets are so light and vented now that one is crazy not to wear one all the time.

#Pro sports is all about hooking them in, chewing them up and spitting them out when they cant 'perform'. Give em fame and money and thats enough according to the status quo.

And if you do smack your head on the pavement, the insurance company doesn't have the opportunity to void your travel insurance and being left with a hospital bill costing thousand of dollars/pounds/euro's, even more so if it happened in the States.

Spending at worse $300-400 on travel insurance >>>>>> hefty hospital bills that will take two lifetimes to pay it off, or the risk of losing your house or other assets.