Contador Blood Doped

[gruppetto]

Contador had plastic in his blood from the blood bag. A new test proved it.

German journalist claims UCI denied Alberto Contador positive test, says rider may have received transfusions



Alleges traces of a plasticizer in blood bags were found in rider’s blood sample
Hans Joachim Seppelt, a journalist with the German TV station ARD, has cast doubts on Alberto Contador’s explanation for his Clenbuterol positive, making the explosive claim that chemical traces in samples taken during the 2010 Tour de France suggest he may have received a blood transfusion.

Seppelt, who specializes in doping matters and who was German sports journalist of the year in 2007, was speaking on ARD’s Mittags Magazin programme. He claimed that they contacted UCI president Pat McQuaid yesterday and received a complete denial that Contador was being investigated.

“We have been on this case for weeks and we knew a few days ago,” he said during the television interview. “We tried to contact the UCI yesterday, but they said they won't give a comment. We then called Pat McQuaid. He said 'I don't even know what you are talking about'."Then later the press release came out. So the UCI was lying yesterday.”

The news that ARD was poised to break the story could explain why Contador’s press agent released the news hours before the Elite world championship time trial.

Seppelt felt that the governing body was deliberately stalling. “The UCI has had many problems with credibility in the last few years, like in the case of Lance Armstrong. [In Contador's case] the A and B sample were already taken, the procedure was done and still the public wasn't informed. It appears they want to keep this case under the covers or give Alberto Contador the opportunity to find arguments for his innocence. This should not happen. To me it appears to be a cartel from those who want to conceal.”

A more explosive claim relates to another matter. Contador held a press conference today and said that the most likely source for the Clenbuterol traces found in his urine sample was from a piece of tainted meat someone brought across the border from Spain.

ARD’s contention is that the traces could be in blood that was taken out of the rider during a non-competitive period, then reinfused back in around the time of the second rest day, when the urine sample in question was taken. The inference is that not enough care was taken to ensure that Contador was clear of the substance when the blood was taken out.


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Hey Pistolero, you're a ****

 

[Merckx index]

And these substances from plastic transfusion bags are not found in any other containers? Like plastic water bottles, for example? Or plastic tubes used in drinking apparatus? I would want to see some evidence that this test is specific.

 

[pedaling squares]

OMG worst post ever. It's a rumor you moron.

Not the worst post ever. It was a good post. He references quotes to scientists and investigative journalists. You appear desperate. And yes, moronic.

 

[goggalor]

They can detect plastic from blood bags? Wow, didn't know that.

And that article basically says the UCI had no intention of breaking this news any time in the foreseeable future, right? Why am I not surprised?

 

[Publicus]

If test results are anonymous, how would this reporter have access to this information?

 

[Anonymous]

Already discussed and linked to on the other contador thread.. has nobody read the Read before you post?

 

[Barrus]

Already discussed and linked to on the other contador thread.. has nobody read the Read before you post?

I would think tha this would warrant its own thread. The big thread is getting far too big and has far too many different subjects going on

 

[Escarabajo]

OMG worst post ever. It's a rumor you moron.

What is your problem. I thought it was a good post.

Actually I thought about the same thing last night when I first read it.

Here is a link for your drug. I could not answer you fast enough in the other thread because they shut it down. It has great benefits for athletes of all categories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist[1] with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR.

 

[Escarabajo]

If test results are anonymous, how would this reporter have access to this information?

It was probably leaked by WADA. I don't think the lab knew it was from contador (Or maybe they did. I don't know anymore).

My bet the UCI were trying to sweep this under the carpet and somebody forseeing this came forward. Just my guess.

 

[goggalor]

They can detect plastic from blood bags? Wow, didn't know that.

And that article basically says the UCI had no intention of breaking this news any time in the foreseeable future, right? Why am I not surprised?

Also, with Contador's comments about not even informing his family until yesterday, I think this would've been swept under the carpet... and they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those lousy Germans!

 

[CPAvelo]

It was probably leaked by WADA. I don't think the lab knew it was from contador (Or maybe they did. I don't know anymore).

My bet the UCI were trying to sweep this under the carpet and somebody forseeing this came forward. Just my guess.

UCI is not looking good. Is the organization subject to audit? A look into the money and paper trails might be very interesting.

Thankfully there are still persistent journalists out there pursuing these matters, otherwise collusion would be rampant.

 

[Aguirre]

anyone doubts about the so-called Hans Joachim Seppel? do we know who is he? his personality? what he tries to demonstrate and so on? is he aiming for a carrier? "oh, I was the person who... stories told to their grand-children"

a journalist says "it must be clear that blood transfusion was made that day" and everybody believes?

then the same journalist blames against UCI, accusing pat of being a liar.

I repeat, it's UCI time more than science time

 

[Cobblestones]

And these substances from plastic transfusion bags are not found in any other containers? Like plastic water bottles, for example? Or plastic tubes used in drinking apparatus? I would want to see some evidence that this test is specific.

These substances might be present in other stuff, but how would they enter the bloodstream? In case of a transfusion they enter the bloodstream most definitely, in the case of ingestion, maybe not so much.

That would be sweet to have a test for the use of refill bags through some residue of the plastic.

 

[Escarabajo]

1. It's been discussed before.
2. It's a rumor
3. The tests exist, but they can prove nothing. The compound in question is everywhere.

1- Where
2- Not a rumor. the source seems very credible to me. And its rationale very good and more believable that the meat theory. Why would a meat be tainted in Europe? if you play with statistics you are increasing your chances of blood doping. here:

- Chances of meat being from Spain and not France. 50-50%
- Chances of meat being tainted in spain. less than 10% maybe.
- Chances of Vinokurov not eating the same meat. 50-50% maybe
- Chances of a Tour de France contender (Leader to make it worse) eating red meat 2 days in a row. Less than 30%.
- Chances of having plastisizers in the samples from the day before when he ate the meat. Let's wait for the official results.
- Chances of the UCI trying to cover up. More than 80%.
- Chances of Contador using this product during training when he was not being tested. Very high.

You can build a probabilistic model around this a come up with a veredict.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

If test results are anonymous, how would this reporter have access to this information?

They are only anonymous till after the A sample goes +ve, then they connect the number with the rider's name, so they can inform the rider who has the right to be there when the lid gets taken off the B sample.

nice avatar

 

[mastersracer]

anyone doubts about the so-called Hans Joachim Seppel? do we know who is he? his personality? what he tries to demonstrate and so on? is he aiming for a carrier? "oh, I was the person who... stories told to their grand-children"

a journalist says "it must be clear that blood transfusion was made that day" and everybody believes?

then the same journalist blames against UCI, accusing pat of being a liar.

I repeat, it's UCI time more than science time

"Seppelt, who specializes in doping matters and who was German sports journalist of the year in 2007"

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...have-received-transfusions.aspx#ixzz11333hdCu

 

[theswordsman]

Contador had plastic in his blood from the blood bag. A new test proved it.



http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...(Cycling+News+&+Race+Results+|+VeloNation.com)

You're really not supposed to steal whole articles and post them here.

Who in Spain did they reach for "the exact values". Who in Spain had access to the test results in the time frame they're referring to? Is this plastic stuff something the UCI normally tests for? If it is, then why aren't guys routinely getting popped for own blood transfusions when we all know that some people are doing it? How does a radio station or whatever claim to have special knowledge of what was in the urine without access to the samples. Since the lab was in Germany, did they gain illegal access to the samples? Why would they need to get numbers from Spain? Did they sabotage the samples for a story? Who gave them the information about the positive test?

There are a lot of articles out there today with opinions by experts with names people here recognize. So who the heck are these storm troopers? Oh, a journalist.

 

[Escarabajo]

"Seppelt, who specializes in doping matters and who was German sports journalist of the year in 2007"

Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...have-received-transfusions.aspx#ixzz11333hdCu

So it is no gossip anymore like some other poster said.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

You can build a probabilistic model around this a come up with a veredict.

You can build a probabilistic model. The rest of us wait for you to do it for us.

Edit: I've always wondered if this whole fashion of lab staff leaking everything to the media was their response to the corruption in the UCI too

 

[hfer07]

at this point- it makes more sense for the entire world to see AC getting busted for blood transfusion than a mere 50 picograms of clenbuterol

 

[ingsve]

They can detect plastic from blood bags? Wow, didn't know that.

And that article basically says the UCI had no intention of breaking this news any time in the foreseeable future, right? Why am I not surprised?

Well, it's not plastic, it's plasticizers. Plasticizers are compounds that are added to a polymer to change its properties. Most often they are used to make the polymer softer which is why you would find more plasticizers in blood bags than in water bottles.

 

[ingsve]

And these substances from plastic transfusion bags are not found in any other containers? Like plastic water bottles, for example? Or plastic tubes used in drinking apparatus? I would want to see some evidence that this test is specific.

Well, for one thing if there is a certain amount of plasticizers in water bottles or other things that are used by everyone then that would only serve as a background level that would be roughly equal between all pro riders. If someone was getting blood transfusions that would be an additional source which would put someone well above the average since it would be found directly in the bloodstream rather than being ingested.

Presence of plasticizers cannot be proof however unless there are very specific compounds that are only used in blood bags that they can detect but I does put up a red flag.

 

[gruppetto]

Well, for one thing if there is a certain amount of plasticizers in water bottles or other things that are used by everyone then that would only serve as a background level that would be roughly equal between all pro riders. If someone was getting blood transfusions that would be an additional source which would put someone well above the average since it would be found directly in the bloodstream rather than being ingested.

Presence of plasticizers cannot be proof however unless there are very specific compounds that are only used in blood bags that they can detect but I does put up a red flag.

I believe these medical blood bags use certain chemical compounds to keep the bag sterile. Perhaps that can detect those distinct plasticizers?

 

[Arnout]

Well, it's not plastic, it's plasticizers. Plasticizers are compounds that are added to a polymer to change its properties. Most often they are used to make the polymer softer which is why you would find more plasticizers in blood bags than in water bottles.

And probably in the gels they use during a race?

Can anybody explain me whats the logic of the blood bag theory? That would mean he used the substance in the off - season. But that would also mean that he would have to be extremely cautious, as this stuff takes some time before it is gone and there is no natural threshold. That would mean he first had to dope (and use the salbutasomething) to get stronger or whatever, then transfuse blood without this substance afterwards. My logic says that when you dope, you do it either in the off-season (and with useful substances, but that's another matter) to avoid tests (which Contador will have to undergo in the off-season as well), or you transfuse blood in the off-season to use it during a race. But when you do both, both advantages are gone. Your advantage of no doping controls is gone, as you will be tested with this blood in a race. And your advantage of own blood transfusions which will not be detected is gone, as you doped during those transfusions.

It seems a hassle at the very least and moreover extremely risky to me (as, once again, Contador will be tested more than the average cyclist and you cannot build with this substance till a certain level).

I don't see the logic of this theory. Can anybody explain me why he would do this?

 

[roundabout]

Maybe he ate a steak before withdrawing the blood?

But at this moment i really doubt that Contador is going to be sanctioned for blood doping.