Contador not positive

[Le breton]

I am starting this thread because another one appeared saying that Contador tested positive.

Since this is not the case I thought it would be good to reestablish the truth.

His analysis just showed some anomaly in his urine at an extremely low level, 400 times lower than the level labs must be able to detect to be accredited.

 

[Ferminal]

aka "I'm making a thread to try and position myself as having the superior perspective on this topic".

Been done before, move along. If you can't hold an argument in the main thread don't resort to cheap measures to try and show otherwise.

But while we are here, could you please link me to the documentation that suggests Alberto Contador did not test positive for a banned substance on July 21?

 

[53 x 11]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Dont tell Auscyclefan. She's having so much fun with herself.

 

[kurtinsc]

I am starting this thread because another one appeared saying that Contador tested positive.

Since this is not the case I thought it would be good to reestablish the truth.

His analysis just showed some anomaly in his urine at an extremely low level, 400 times lower than the level labs must be able to detect to be accredited.

And Lance never tested positive (except for when he did).

The concentrationd doesn't matter. The test was positive for an extremely small level. That was enough to suspend him.

You can claim he didn't knowingly take it... but he DID test positive.

 

[DAOTEC]

Since this is not the case I thought it would be good to reestablish the truth.

Dream on Le breton, Spiropent shouldn't be there in the first place, comprende.

 

[roundabout]

Let me guess, we're also not in the Matrix?

 

[luckyboy]

Are there any UCI/WADA guidelines anywhere that specify what amount must be found in a sample in order for it to go positive?

 

[JRTinMA]

Are there any UCI/WADA guidelines anywhere that specify what amount must be found in a sample in order for it to go positive?

There is no threshold for Clen.

 

[Aguirre]

I'm missing something... he is not condemned as POSITIVE! he is into "further investigation" and suspended for racing until this process ends stage.

THAT'S THE ONLY REALITY, FACTS, PLEASE, FACTS

if you want to believe IT is allready a positive case, well, it's your BELIEVE.

I will wait till this case ends as "closed case" and then LAUGH

 

[mastersracer]

there is some serious news speak going on here, including the UCI. The minimum amount ("400 time less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect.”) does not refer to a threshold for a positive test. It refers to a lab standard for accreditation. There is no minimum threshold for a positive finding.

In fact, not only did he test positive but his B sample confirmed the result.

from the UCI:

"the UCI immediately had the proper results management proceedings conducted including the analysis of B sample that confirmed the first result. The rider, who had already put an end to his cycling season before the result was known, was nevertheless formally and provisionally suspended as is prescribed by the World Anti-Doping Code."

 

[kurtinsc]

I'm missing something... he is not condemned as POSITIVE! he is into "further investigation" and suspended for racing until this process ends stage.

THAT'S THE ONLY REALITY, FACTS, PLEASE, FACTS

if you want to believe IT is allready a positive case, well, it's your BELIEVE.

I will wait till this case ends as "closed case" and then LAUGH

The first test came back positive.

Thus... he tested positive.

While he may not end up getting suspended due to extenuating circumstances or perhaps he'll come up with a back dated TUE for athsma medication... it doesn't change the fact that it was a positive test.


If you kill someone but beat the murder charge... it doesn't change the fact that you killed someone. And if you test positive for a controlled substance but end up escaping punishment, that doesn't make the positive test go away.

 

[indurain666]

I'm missing something... he is not condemned as POSITIVE! he is into "further investigation" and suspended for racing until this process ends stage.

THAT'S THE ONLY REALITY, FACTS, PLEASE, FACTS

if you want to believe IT is allready a positive case, well, it's your BELIEVE.

I will wait till this case ends as "closed case" and then LAUGH

Amen. Thanks for that, this is a good thread to keep the facts in perspective:

-They detected 50 picograms during rest day

-He didn't test positive the day before or the day after. Those samples were tested by the same lab.

-Clen is used in the bodybuilding/sports scene to get "ripped". Dosage is in excess of 100 mcg over say, 21 days.

-I really don't see any reason why Contador would take 1/80 of single clen pill during the second rest day.

Too bad his name has been tainted. I hope he doesn't get suspended.

 

[kurtinsc]

Amen. Thanks for that, this is a good thread to keep the facts in perspective:

-They detected 50 picograms during rest day

-He didn't test positive the day before or the day after. Those samples were tested by the same lab.

-Clen is used in the bodybuilding/sports scene to get "ripped". Dosage is in excess of 100 mcg over say, 21 days.

-I really don't see any reason why Contador would take 1/80 of single clen pill during the second rest day.

Too bad his name has been tainted. I hope he doesn't get suspended.

All of that is fine... but it doesn't change the fact that he DID test positive.

He may not get punished or suspended, but the test was performed (on both A and B samples) and it came back with a positive result. You can claim it is not indicative of doping, but it IS and WILL ALWAYS BE a positive drug test.

 

[indurain666]

All of that is fine... but it doesn't change the fact that he DID test positive.

He may not get punished or suspended, but the test was performed (on both A and B samples) and it came back with a positive result. You can claim it is not indicative of doping, but it IS and WILL ALWAYS BE a positive drug test.

I am going to have to agree with you.

 

[Barrus]

-He didn't test positive the day before or the day after. Those samples were tested by the same lab.

What I understand is that he did test positive the day after, only the amount was even smaller at that point, being only 20 pg, which is in line with the half-life.

Also traces were found on the 23rd, as well as the 24th

 

[lucybears]

He didn't test positive the day before or the day after.

The concentration of CLENBUTEROL found in the urine sample taken at July 21st was very low; the applied method was not quantitative, but it may be estimated that the concentration was in the range of 50 pg/mL, which is equivalent 0.05 ng/mL24,25.

The concentration of CLENBUTEROL found in the urine sample taken at July 22nd was even lower; the applied method was not quantitative, but it may be estimated that the concentration was in the range of 20 pg/mL, which is equivalent 0.02 ng/mL23,25.

from the report of Dr Douwe de Boer, which you can read, in english, here
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=31038

 

[Aguirre]

fight against doping=Institution of the Saint Inquisition

 

[mastersracer]

WADA director general David Howman told The Associated Press that testing positive for even the most minute amounts of clenbuterol could be enough to sanction an athlete, although he declined to discuss the specifics of Contador's case.

"The issue is the lab has detected this. They have the responsibility for pursuing. There is no such thing as a limit where you don't have to prosecute cases. This is not a substance that has a threshold," said Howman,

 

[indurain666]

The concentration of CLENBUTEROL found in the urine sample taken at July 21st was very low; the applied method was not quantitative, but it may be estimated that the concentration was in the range of 50 pg/mL, which is equivalent 0.05 ng/mL24,25.

The concentration of CLENBUTEROL found in the urine sample taken at July 22nd was even lower; the applied method was not quantitative, but it may be estimated that the concentration was in the range of 20 pg/mL, which is equivalent 0.02 ng/mL23,25.

from the report of Dr Douwe de Boer, which you can read, in english, here
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=31038

Interesting, this actually contradicts Contador's "official" press release I read a few hours ago.

Nevertheless, the facts that accidental ingestion of clenbuterol are well documented in the literature might help him prove his theory.

The measured concentrations during reference food poisoning are 18 ng/ mL, Contadors concentrations were measured 0.05 ng/mL!! Are you kidding me??

My theory: Contador has no clue where the clen came from, the whole meat thing is something he had to put together in order to build his case.

 

[mulletCobra]

Someone goofed on his masking agent?

 

[indurain666]

Someone goofed on his masking agent?

Please de-goof your theory: Explain. How do you mask Clen?

 

[mulletCobra]

Please de-goof your theory: Explain. How do you mask Clen?

With pork...

 

[indurain666]

With pork...

How?

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

I really hope Contador's case can be closed as soon as possible....
I think it is really sad to hear about his case. I believe him and his statement, it just does not make sense that he would take Clenbuterol delibaretely. I hope the UCI can make the best out of this.
Horrible timing by the way, to release this information during the Worlds!
Sucks that Alberto's reputation is tarnished

 

[mulletCobra]

How?