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veganrob said:
Pippo has a look of concern on his face. "Hope this don't freeze the boys"
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Marginal losses of a different kind! 😎
 
Apparently Justin Gatlin once got frostbite from cryotherapy because he did not remove his sweaty socks prior to it.

ANyway I have heard of case studies that suggest it has no effect, no idea if this is true or not.
 
Last time I checked there wasn't clear evidence of cryo stuff being useful for aerobic efforts (anaerobic I think is clearer).
 
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Ferminal said:
Last time I checked there wasn't clear evidence of cryo stuff being useful for aerobic efforts (anaerobic I think is clearer).
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From what I've seen, the results are clear(ish), but the conclusions are not. So when a study shows that it helps recovery (say, that after cold therapy, subjects were able to repeat exercise at whatever intensity), many assume that it is a good training intervention ("recovery is good!).

The conclusion of course, it that recovery does note equal adaptation.

The best analyses I've read is that many recovery aids aid recovery because they dampen the stress response. Anti-inflammatories, cold thereapy ect. The problem is that in exercise, the goal is a stress-adaptaion cycle, so dampening the stress means the body has lower target to adapt to, and thus a smaller training effect.

So, these recovery aids would serve better during competition than during training. In theory.

Everyone agrees though (or should agree, at least), that nothing is crystal clear. The use over three weeks hasn't been studied, and most studies are not done on elite athletes. Most studies are also not done on athletes that may or may not be doping; it will not be known how drugs interact with that recovery/adaptation process...

Other factors are that different work loads apply different stresses. An aerobic effort can cause muscle damage and micro tears, and an anaerobic effort could not, depending on the whole volume. Different stressors (and their signaling) also interact with each other, so it is not just aerobic/aerobic, resistance/endurance, heat/normal conditions, etc...
 
i think cryotherapy works best if applied only to muscles while not reducing the blood flow which is practice is difficult to implement and therefore can get varied results. Just speculating
 
Jokes aside, how does it jive with the theories of AG2R being pumped to the gills? The guy left and improved tremendously.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
Jokes aside, how does it jive with the theories of AG2R being pumped to the gills? The guy left and improved tremendously.
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Did he, now? This is exactly the kind of performance Elmiger has been delivering sporadically for like a decade.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
Jokes aside, how does it jive with the theories of AG2R being pumped to the gills? The guy left and improved tremendously.
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ag2r 2013 was quite an improvement from 2012 as well.
with the exception of houanard, theories of AG2R being turbocharged (or say, having 'upped' their game) i think relate mainly to their improved results in 2013/14/15, i.e. a period that doesn't concern elmiger.
 
Elmiger had some troubles with his iliac arteries while he was with ag2r, so probably never reached his full potantial.
 
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sniper said:
Catwhoorg said:
A souped up ice bath ?


Personally I have never found those to be beneficial, but then again I don't have the training/racing load these guys do.

I have heard of cryotherapy being used by long distance runners as well.
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also in football and other sports. it's growing in popularity.
not likely to be used in isolation, imo.
more likely a smokescreen for a whole set of illegal recovery methods.
http://www.uksportsproducts.com/cryotechno.shtml

Benefits of Whole Body Cryotherapy for Sport

Following trauma injury / Surgery

Reduction of pain
Reduction of post traumatic treatmen
Inhibition of inflammation

Post-Training / Competition

Increase in muscle strength
Increase in performance
Reduction in the regeneration phase
Improvement of joint function
Decrease in muscle tension over longer application
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Golf: US Ryder Cup Team
Rugby: Ireland Rugby Team
Rugby: Wales Rugby Team
Football: Bolton Wanderers
F1: Mark Webber
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I saw a thing on TV once about patients with chronical pain after injury, and they said it helps them if applied regularly
 
Wonder what changes they made to Nicholas prodhome's training programs and nutrition recently.????
 
Time to change the thread title maybe, Mods? I believe next year they're called Decathlon Shipmates Ahoy me hearties yo ho ho Arrr! (or something like that)
 
What was AG2R has now been turbo-charged with the advent of a lot of money and the hiring of many a person.
Seixas being the stand out example but it seems the whole team - including the kiddies! - have upped their game since the Shipmates came on board. (came on board ... shipmates ...pun ... funny ha ha?? Nah ... ok)
 
The team has appointed Romain Bardet as sports manager (from next January, though I understand he has already joined them as an observer).
I've always tended to regard Bardet as a rather clean rider.
I'm experiencing some kind of cognitive dissonance right now.
 
Armchair Cyclist said:
Done. If you had pinged either of us, it probably would have been done within a day or so of your suggesting it.
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I believed all posts were put up for muster by mods so therefore the lack of direct contact. I stand corrected and in the future will PM requests.
 
Rob5091 said:
I believed all posts were put up for muster by mods so therefore the lack of direct contact. I stand corrected and in the future will PM requests.
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No: some we read, in the same way as anyone else does, some we miss, maybe because the thread doesn't particularly interest us.
A very small number of posts, usually suspected spam, but not obvious enough for the filter to kill on sight, are put into a holding bay for approval, but that might be only 3 or 4 posts most weeks.
 
YellowSocks said:
The team has appointed Romain Bardet as sports manager (from next January, though I understand he has already joined them as an observer).
I've always tended to regard Bardet as a rather clean rider.
I'm experiencing some kind of cognitive dissonance right now.
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Bardet has made lots of comments about "grey areas", Froome's salbutamol problem and an interesting titbit from 2021,
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bardet-we-need-to-ban-substances-that-sit-in-the-grey-area/
The Frenchman pointed to one example in particular with riders and teams often using Teide in Tenerife as a training base. Testing is notoriously poor if not non-existent with riders who have complained in the past about the lack of controls taken at the location.

“Maybe outside of competition I’ve had three or four times, five maximum for the passport. I’ve had experience of having three or four weeks in Teide with no tests and there are 25 others guys there with no controls.
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So a guy spending months at altitiude and improving by 20W a month should not be unexpected?
 
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