Something i've noted:
In the Cancellara thread the majority of people would conclude:
- super talented rider so if he is doping then so be it, they all are, so it's justified and we all enjoyed the performances of Spartacus!
In any Armstrong thread, the majority of people would conclude:
- reasonably talented rider, but he got the best doctor, despite them all doping, which is not justified, and we didn't like his 99-05 performances for it
not trying to troll, but it's quite a reasonable conclusion i think...
Not trying to be sanctimonious either, but as a reasonably objective person and having read a lot of older threads (becoz they are the more interesting ones) this is an observation I have made.
I tend to accept doping is part and parcel of the sport so i tend not to judge a rider too harshly for alleged doping but at the same time, if I believe a rider is cleaner than others then I would probably support them more than the suspected doped rider.
Love the Clinic discussion so please carry on as usual, but as any forum member knows, it's good to express your thoughts.
As to the initial question. I don't think that Armstrong would have a monopoly on the best PEDs, but certainly if a rider pays a doctor to work exclusively with them the question does come down to who has the best doctor? but that is a highly subjective answer because it is near impossible to say that Armstrong's Ferrari is better than Ullrich's Fuentes. Winning doesn't mean you have the best program. It may mean you have a good program, or an exclusive program, but there are so many other factors in a bike race that suggesting that doping, and doping alone, is the factor in winning is simply incorrect. (i don't think anyone said that, just makin a point)
It's just too subjective to say one has the best doctor because as others have said (in the Cancellara thread too) that despite doping; training counts, initial talent helps, good responder to training and/or drugs, good team counts, good diet counts, mental ability counts etc etc..
So despite Armstrong/Cancellara having a good or better or more exclusive 'program' they are still hard working, talented, mentally strong riders which correlates with their wins, and doping, I believe is secondary to that.