Doping in other sports?

[veganrob]

That can't be true. Triathletes don't dope.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Triathletes do not dope, they use the Norwegian system of interval training, eating dogs and editing wikipedia pages with fake 10k times.

 

[Sciatic]

Triathletes do not dope, they use the Norwegian system of interval training, eating dogs and editing wikipedia pages with fake 10k times.

Better not bring up eating dogs (or cats) —it’s now a (faux) political issue over here

 

[Rob5091]

In this age of fast moving, non-stop news, it's easy to forget recent fun stories. One of which is the 23 Chinese swimmers and their delayed reporting of TMZ positives.
WADA have given Eric Cottier the unenviable job of going through the paperwork on the case and trying to put a lid on the whole affair. 12 th September the final report was out - read and enjoy at
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defa..._final_cottier_report_english_translation.pdf
some interesting points -

However, on the basis of these pharmacokinetic data alone, it is not possible to rule out intentional (or unintentional) intake of TMZ for doping or therapeutic purposes in the weeks leading up to the competition. Environmental contamination with low doses of TMZ during the hotel stay is also possible and can neither be ruled out nor affirmed with certainty on the basis of scientific data, but I see no scientific argument of a pharmacokinetic nature in favor of one hypothesis over another.

WADA further reported to the Investigator that CHINADA had experienced, subsequent to the case of the 23 swimmers of 2021, a situation in which, for a positive urine test for TMZ (0.3 ng/mL), contamination through food would have been established. In short, TMZ, at a concentration of 2ug/mL, would have been detected in the cooking (wine) of beef hot-and-dry noodles. Tracing of the origin would have led to TMZ being detected in the alcohol contained in the cooking wine. This alcohol was allegedly purchased from a chemical substances factory, which in turn obtained it illegally from a pharmaceutical company. The latter would have used alcohol (distillation) in the TMZ manufacturing process.

The actions of CHINADA are given the once over and found wanting

..the Chinese Anti-Doping Organization, by refraining from notifying the positive athletes, completely ignored ISRM Article 5.1.2.1, which the expert describes as a fundamental violation of anti-doping rules. This violation gave rise to a whole series of consequences which, in the expert's view, are the results of many flaws in the proceedings conducted by CHINADA.

On the basis of his three-stage approach, the expert concluded that the time elapsed between doping control (1-3 January 2024) and the announcement of the case to WADA and FINA (16 March 2021), i.e. more than 70 days, did not appear to comply with the applicable standards.

 

[Rob5091]

Tygart's response to the report -
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

The ongoing failure to investigate and to answer the critical question of whether the 23 positive tests were due to contamination or intentional use will haunt athletes around the world for years to come. This failure of the system has also unfairly created a dark cloud over the Chinese athletes involved.

So the contamination theory was that either it was in the food via an illegal cooking wine purchase or some employee had taken TMZ and not washed his/her hands or sweated a lot on the ventilation hoods.

The big question mark is the long delayed actions by CHINADA in sample testing and reporting, then not following WADA guidelines. Suspicious behaviour naturally arises suspicions.

Of course if somebody had not told the media about it, we would probably not have heard about it at all.

 

[BullsFan22]

So Tygart only trusts WADA when it suits his narrative?

 

[Rob5091]

So Tygart only trusts WADA when it suits his narrative?

I think Tygart does not trust WADA to follow it's own rules
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

... China did not follow the rules, and that WADA management did nothing about it.

To be honest, I agree and given the influx of large amounts of money from such countries as UAE & Bahrain, and the ever increasing speeds of the peloton, I'm half expecting a major scandal every day.

 

[veganrob]

I think you will be waiting a long time for a major scandal in the peloton.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I think Tygart does not trust WADA to follow it's own rules
https://www.usada.org/statement/tygart-wadas-full-cottier-report/

To be honest, I agree and given the influx of large amounts of money from such countries as UAE & Bahrain, and the ever increasing speeds of the peloton, I'm half expecting a major scandal every day.

Tygart knows WADA won't follow its own rules because WADA let him get away with letting US dopers continue to compete without anybody becoming aware of their positive tests, under the auspices of getting info about other dopers.

He's just calling them out for it when somebody else gets to benefit.

 

[BullsFan22]

Tygart knows WADA won't follow its own rules because WADA let him get away with letting US dopers continue to compete without anybody becoming aware of their positive tests, under the auspices of getting info about other dopers.

He's just calling them out for it when somebody else gets to benefit.

This

 

[Rob5091]

WADA did not know about the USADA "snitches" which was why it became their baseball bat to use on USADA after the Chinese swimming scandal
https://www.reuters.com/sports/athl...oping-agencies-clash-over-tactics-2024-08-07/

"WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents for USADA, without it notifying WADA and without there being any provision allowing such a practice under the (global) code or USADA's own rules," WADA said in a statement to Reuters.

WADA also using USADA's "chinese swimming outrage" to threaten Olympics in Salt Lake.

 

[Rob5091]

"Burgos" is a pseudonym & back in 2015 he offered a Kenyan runner a deal ...
https://plzmgumwcl.oedi.net/sport/a...ed-undercover-agent-to-lift-the-lid-on-dopers

Burgos is chief investigator at Usada and he sees the results of all positive tests in the United States.

“We were actively testing him during that period, so he was not allowed to dope and he was to tell us right away if he did,” said Burgos. “We had notified the World Anti-Doping Agency [Wada] and the international federation for track and field, and they all signed off.”

So somebody's memory is not 100% correct.

 

[Sciatic]

"Burgos" is a pseudonym & back in 2015 he offered a Kenyan runner a deal ...
https://plzmgumwcl.oedi.net/sport/a...ed-undercover-agent-to-lift-the-lid-on-dopers



So somebody's memory is not 100% correct.

There’s got to be some email exchanges about communication between the two organizations. We need more dedicated cycling fan hackers

 

[Invicituz]

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years:

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years

The Paris Olympics anti-doping program caught five athletes after earlier finding 40 rule violations among competitors who had been expected to take part in the Games

abcnews.go.com

 

[Rob5091]

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years:

Paris Olympics anti-doping program found almost 50 cases. More likely with re-tests over 10 years

The Paris Olympics anti-doping program caught five athletes after earlier finding 40 rule violations among competitors who had been expected to take part in the Games

abcnews.go.com

Funny, I was thinking about the ITA today in relation to the "snitches" in the US scandal, as they are all for whistleblowers and getting info by every which means. They even have a dedicated webpage to blow your whistle (at https://ita.sport/reveal/ ) and a Mr Toby Atkins is "firsthand proactive reporter on doping in cycling". ITA have some interesting videos up on the "Tube" (as the kids call it).

Edit -add - Of course as ITA did not exist until 2018 they could not have been involved in the 2015 story.

 

[Sciatic]

Additional details (in French) about the Paris Olympics anti-doping efforts. One thing I note is that while during the Olympics I was reading that all athletes had to have doping tests before the Olympics, but this says 90% were tested. That sounds good on the face of it, but that’s over 600 participants who weren’t tested before the games. How did they get “free” passes? I assume the non-tested included NBA players.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Jo-2024-paris/Tous-sports/Actualites/Plus-de-6130-tests-antidopage-ont-ete-effectues-pendant-la-periode-des-jo-de-paris-2024/1508676