Doping in other sports?

[Tricycle Rider]

Gymnastics require more strength and muscle than swimming.

True, female artistic gymnastics specifically has become a lot more athletic than artistic and the women do appear to have more muscle than in the past. (Though, at the last Olympics many of the female gymnasts were truly grown women and not some 15 or 16yr.- old pipsqueaks like in the past, so they looked bigger.) But what about figure skating? On the elite level you would just about never see some heavy, musclefreak woman on the ice because the bulk just isn't needed...

I just find the comparison or connection of very different sports in the article pretty strange. And what I find truly perturbing is a young gal swimmer taking turinabol nowadays when there's plenty of evidence of how much damage it did to the young and still growing female swimmers from the GDR.

 

[Rob5091]

The whole story about Millana Zagartdinova began with a press relaese by TASS from RUSADA on October 30th but was first picked up by Ukrainian press (the original link I posted), then Swedish press (where I saw it first). It does not seem to have been posted on TASS's english service -

https://tass.ru/sport/22266421 (googling translation)

The Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA) conducted an investigation into the discovery of steroids in the doping test of 14-year-old swimmer Millana Zagartdinova, but the agency failed to establish how the prohibited substance got into the body of a minor athlete. This was reported to TASS by the press service of RUSADA.

Since then Finnish and Polish press have re-posted the story, but surprisingly not the English media. The animosity in the original article can be put down to the ongoing Ukraine/Russia conflict.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

The whole story about Millana Zagartdinova began with a press relaese by TASS from RUSADA on October 30th but was first picked up by Ukrainian press (the original link I posted), then Swedish press (where I saw it first). It does not seem to have been posted on TASS's english service -

https://tass.ru/sport/22266421 (googling translation)


Since then Finnish and Polish press have re-posted the story, but surprisingly not the English media. The animosity in the original article can be put down to the ongoing Ukraine/Russia conflict.

Ooof, this is such a can of worms and I'm more confused than before... but why take or be given turinabol of all things given its history with young female GDR swimmers?

 

[Rob5091]

Ooof, this is such a can of worms and I'm more confused than before... but why take or be given turinabol of all things given its history with young female GDR swimmers?

Maybe the real point of the press release from RUSADA was the fact that at the bottom of the release it states that 17 under 18 years old athletes have been banned for doping. No details unlike the Milana Zagartdinova story. Her mentor Igor Malikov maybe was doing things he should n't but it's all a bit odd.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Maybe the real point of the press release from RUSADA was the fact that at the bottom of the release it states that 17 under 18 years old athletes have been banned for doping. No details unlike the Milana Zagartdinova story. Her mentor Igor Malikov maybe was doing things he should n't but it's all a bit odd.

There's so much to unpack here and, as you had mentioned earlier, no English-speaking site has picked this story up. Odd. Not sure I can trust google translate...

I needed a refresher on what turinabol exactly is and its side effects, I found this video.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06f0hbRLg0Y


According to this guy turinabol is absolutely never taken alone if you know what you're doing, so there's a chance the Russian gal might have been on something else as well. (Doubt she would be popping anabolics all on her own, surely there must have been an adult who knew what he was doing who ran the show?)

 

[Nomad]

That's a good video on Turinabol. I've seen some of his videos where he analyzes other anabolic steroid compounds.

Are you familiar with the Franke paper on the hormonalization of the GDR female athletes? He goes over the declassified GDR State-sponsored doping program documents that used Turinabol as the country's primary anabolic steroid compound with their Olympic caliber athletes:

Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government

Abstract. Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of

academic.oup.com

The primary risk of Turinabol is like other oral anabolic steroids, it's a 17-alpha alkylated compound which makes it hepatoxic.

 

[Rob5091]

There's so much to unpack here and, as you had mentioned earlier, no English-speaking site has picked this story up. Odd. Not sure I can trust google translate...

I needed a refresher on what turinabol exactly is and its side effects, I found this video.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06f0hbRLg0Y


According to this guy turinabol is absolutely never taken alone if you know what you're doing, so there's a chance the Russian gal might have been on something else as well. (Doubt she would be popping anabolics all on her own, surely there must have been an adult who knew what he was doing who ran the show?)

Thanks for the link to the video! Interesting point that Turinabol is not commercially available anymore, so where did it come from and I don't suppose a teen swimmer got hold of it.
Also she tested positive on 5th May 2023 according to RUSADA's website at https://rusada.ru/upload/iblock/40e...ok-diskvalifitsirovannykh-sportsmenov-ENG.pdf
The only reason I can think of why the English speaking media has not re-posted the TASS article is the age of the swimmer. The Ukrainians of course have no qualms about it as they're at war with the Russians.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

That's a good video on Turinabol. I've seen some of his videos where he analyzes other anabolic steroid compounds.

Are you familiar with the Franke paper on the hormonalization of the GDR female athletes? He goes over the declassified GDR State-sponsored doping program documents that used Turinabol as the country's primary anabolic steroid compound with their Olympic caliber athletes:

Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government

Abstract. Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of

academic.oup.com

The primary risk of Turinabol is like other oral anabolic steroids, it's a 17-alpha alkylated compound which makes it hepatoxic.

Thanks for the link, I'm a slow reader so it'll take me a while, but I'll look into it.

I have seen several documentaries and interviews with former female swimmers from both the GDR and the US - the victorious GDR swimmers are now in poor health and the US swimmers seem rather bitter because they feel robbed, so nobody won.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Thanks for the link to the video! Interesting point that Turinabol is not commercially available anymore, so where did it come from and I don't suppose a teen swimmer got hold of it.
Also she tested positive on 5th May 2023 according to RUSADA's website at https://rusada.ru/upload/iblock/40e...ok-diskvalifitsirovannykh-sportsmenov-ENG.pdf
The only reason I can think of why the English speaking media has not re-posted the TASS article is the age of the swimmer. The Ukrainians of course have no qualms about it as they're at war with the Russians.

I understand her name shouldn't have been released because she's a minor, but her young age and the fact it was turinabol she was popped for is so shocking that I think at least that could have been mentioned by the English-speaking press...

I think nowadays you can probably find just about anything on the web be it legal or otherwise, but like you I doubt a teen would know what to do with steroids (responsibly). I think her mentor deserves to be looked at, but unless you read Russian and are willing to dig around Russian news sites I doubt we'll hear much more about this. That's if he's being looked at by the Russians...

Thanks for the link to RUSADA's website btw., wow, that's a lot of power and weightlifters who got popped! Not shocking weightlifters dope, it's just the sheer number of them.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I understand her name shouldn't have been released because she's a minor, but her young age and the fact it was turinabol she was popped for is so shocking that I think at least that could have been mentioned by the English-speaking press...

I think nowadays you can probably find just about anything on the web be it legal or otherwise, but like you I doubt a teen would know what to do with steroids (responsibly). I think her mentor deserves to be looked at, but unless you read Russian and are willing to dig around Russian news sites I doubt we'll hear much more about this. That's if he's being looked at by the Russians...

Thanks for the link to RUSADA's website btw., wow, that's a lot of power and weightlifters who got popped! Not shocking weightlifters dope, it's just the sheer number of them.

Weightlifting is also so currupt when it comes to hiding positives in exchange of money that the freaking OC wants to get them out of the Olympics. The Chinese for example never got busted, until Lyu Xiaojun of all people (multiple time WR holder, won 2 Olympic gold medals and a silver one + and 5 time WC) got busted for freaking EPO.

I still was sad when they busted Klokov, the Russian beast...

RUSADA actually catching people and suspending them (150 positives last year and 27 missed test last months) is actually a good sign. At the very least they try to go after the radioactive ones from the regional teams/lower level who try to get into the elite/national teams by taking huge risk and want to show that they are actually testing athletes constantly, so that they'll be back pretty soon one *you know what* ends.

 

[BullsFan22]

Weightlifting is also so currupt when it comes to hiding positives in exchange of money that the freaking OC wants to get them out of the Olympics. The Chinese for example never got busted, until Lyu Xiaojun of all people (multiple time WR holder, won 2 Olympic gold medals and a silver one + and 5 time WC) got busted for freaking EPO.

I still was sad when they busted Klokov, the Russian beast...

RUSADA actually catching people and suspending them (150 positives last year and 27 missed test last months) is actually a good sign. At the very least they try to go after the radioactive ones from the regional teams/lower level who try to get into the elite/national teams by taking huge risk and want to show that they are actually testing athletes constantly, so that they'll be back pretty soon one *you know what* ends.

If only USADA could do the same

 

[Izzyeviel]

NEW YORK -- Los Angeles Dodgers shortstop Jose D. Hernandez was suspended for next year's Arizona Complex League season on Wednesday following a positive test for boldenone and nandrolone under baseball's minor league drug program.

Hernandez, 21, hit .302 with four homers and 21 RBIs in 26 games this year for the ACL Dodgers. The Venezuelan agreed to a contract with the Dodgers in 2019 that included a $10,000 signing bonus.

Twenty players have been suspended this year for positive drug tests, including nine under the minor league program and nine under the new program for minor league players assigned outside the United States and Canada.

Two players have been suspended this year under the major league drug program.

Noelvi Marté, a 22-year-old infielder who was considered Cincinnati's top prospect, missed the first 80 games following a positive test for boldenone.

Toronto infielder Orelvis Martínez was suspended for 80 games on June 23 following a positive test for the performance-enhancing drug clomiphene, an announcement made two days after his major league debut.

https://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/42648620/dodgers-minor-leaguer-jose-hernandez-suspended-doping

 

[Sciatic]

Ah, that cheeky NFL—despite already having lenient doping policies, they announced they will be lessening some of the existing penalties.
Particularly interesting re: PEDs: if there is a positive test for a banned substance the player will be allowed to continue playing if the specific substance (or perhaps the amount) is determined not to have a performance-enhancing effect. Seems that will lead to tons of appeals arguing that a drug does not enhance performance at the low level found on the test. And what about masking agents? They just don’t care.

NFL, union agree to changes to drug policies

The new policies include changes to testing procedures, fines and other discipline associated with violations of both the performance-enhancing drug policy and the policy on substances of abuse.

www.espn.com