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Dutch champ Clen bust 30 pg/ml - claims Mex beef?

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In the body of mountain biker Rudi van Houts after an out-of-competition control Clenbuterol. The audit took place immediately after the Dutch mountain bike champion returned from a trip to his sponsor in Mexico in late October. Rudi van Houts, the Dutch doping expert Douwe de Boer, attached to the Maastricht University Medical Center, turned to his innocence.
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:rolleyes:

I only came on to make some facetious comment guessing that he'll blame contaminated meat, but he's gone and done it for me. No imagination.

The UCI have made a rod for their own back with the Contador case. :rolleyes:

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Roland Rat said:
:rolleyes:

I only came on to make some facetious comment guessing that he'll blame contaminated meat, but he's gone and done it for me. No imagination.

The UCI have made a rod for their own back with the Contador case. :rolleyes:

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Apparently he has a point, as 18 percent of Mexican meat is treated with clenbuterol... one can only wonder why no Mexicans have been caught? Or have they?
 

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theyoungest said:
Apparently he has a point, as 18 percent of Mexican meat is treated with clenbuterol... one can only wonder why no Mexicans have been caught? Or have they?

I am going down to Baja for XMAS and I have always noticed how lean the beef is there. I think I will buy my meat from COSTCO in CABO(imported beef) or eat fish.

No way I want to eat clen.
 
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flicker said:
I am going down to Baja for XMAS and I have always noticed how lean the beef is there. I think I will buy my meat from COSTCO in CABO(imported beef) or eat fish.

No way I want to eat clen.

I had a Mexican Rib Eye steak last night. delicious.
Wave as ya go past on your way to Cabo
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And so it begins.
"I didn't do no drugs. It was the meat, beef, er um chicken...no the meat, it was the meat."

Spain and the UCI finally figure out how to polish a turd and now this. I wonder what spin they will put on it.

Remove all doping rules and let the fun begin.
 
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All these positives for tiny amounts bring me back to this quote from the head of WADA's Montreal Lab.

WADA regulations set no minimum threshold for the drug. Ayotte doesn't favor setting one as she considers any trace finding to be suspect.

"We can't link content in urine to performance, because we don't know the time, the mode of administration or the dose," she said. "If this case is lost because they're concluding the amount is too small, that would be a major problem. It's not the end of the world, but if competent arbitrators decide that, my heart would break. More dopers would go through the net."

http://espn.go.com/olympics/blog/_/name/olympics/id/5685675

She says "suspect", but in WADA terms, any trace is guilt, period. The guy who proved Mexican meat before still lost a year of his career. They would rather punish innocent people than let a cheater get away, even though guys get away with using things a lot more beneficial to their performance. Contador's level was forty times less than labs are required to detect. This one was even less. I don't know mountain biking - was this training at a time when a guy would be desperate enough to lose weight that he would use drugs?

They know that Clenbuterol is allowed and used in a lot of countries, and enters the normal food supply. With the Contador case, it was said that only four labs in the world could detect that amount. Imagine if all labs get that precise, and all the non-vegetarian athletes from those countries get banned?

If the minimum threshold was set at a reasonable level based on real life, a lot of these cases would never have happened. And Contador is actually the perfect case to show that, because they had clean urine samples from two days before and two days after the two days that had trace amounts. They know that he didn't use it during the Tour for performance. They can't prove he cheated in any way. The idea that a guy could ride 120 miles, including four or five major climbs, and decide he needed to pop a pill for a one day weight loss plan is ridiculous.

And they still punish people like the guy who got the year for eating Mexican meat, and they want to appeal the Otcharov case. All because people like the professor in Montreal decided not to make a minimum threshold because they believe suspicion should cost someone their results and two years of their career.

It's like a couple of years ago in the US when they discovered melanine in products from China, and they worked their way into our food supply through chickens and pigs, etc. I doubt that any of the 300 million of us intentionally ingested melanine, but I'll bet a lot of us would have had it in our system at some point.
 
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theyoungest said:
Apparently he has a point, as 18 percent of Mexican meat is treated with clenbuterol... one can only wonder why no Mexicans have been caught? Or have they?

maybe because testing has changed? contador was busted with only a trace amount that normally is not tested for.

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hm

Is there any research showing that clenbuterol can go from the digestive system to your blood/urine? And to which levels this applies (amount of meat/contamination level)? Links?
 
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A lot of people testing positive for Clen.

It's funny how people say here that Contador's defence is a joke with the argument that more people should get busted for clen if it was true. But everytime someone gets busted for clen they think he's guilty right away ;)

Quite funny. And I'm aware Contador has doped in his career. But I can believe the Clen was an accident.
 
theswordsman said:
If the minimum threshold was set at a reasonable level based on real life, a lot of these cases would never have happened. And Contador is actually the perfect case to show that, because they had clean urine samples from two days before and two days after the two days that had trace amounts. They know that he didn't use it during the Tour for performance. They can't prove he cheated in any way. The idea that a guy could ride 120 miles, including four or five major climbs, and decide he needed to pop a pill for a one day weight loss plan is ridiculous.
While I agree with you that it's insane to ban people for a lower amount of substance than the labs are supposed to be able to detect, and that these amounts are just so ridiculously small that the total weight loss will probably have amounted to one picogram, the idea is that he got it from a blood transfusion which still contained traces of an earlier clenbuterol treatment.
 
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theyoungest said:
While I agree with you that it's insane to ban people for a lower amount of substance than the labs are supposed to be able to detect, and that these amounts are just so ridiculously small that the total weight loss will probably have amounted to one picogram, the idea is that he got it from a blood transfusion which still contained traces of an earlier clenbuterol treatment.

Then they need to bust him for that :p

Or else they are just saying the biological passport is a joke and doesn't work.

It's stupid that someone who gets caught with EPO gets the same punishment as someone who got caught with Clen or some other asthma product.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Then they need to bust him for that :p

Or else they are just saying the biological passport is a joke and doesn't work.

It's stupid that someone who gets caught with EPO gets the same punishment as someone who got caught with Clen or some other asthma product.

Contador has a Doctors certificate for asthma so thats legit.. And maybe he transfused Mexican cow blood by mistake.
 
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Something tells me Spanish farmers are going to start treating all their cows with EPO, CERA, HGH, and Alberto Contador's blood. Just to keep this "I ate a weird steak" excuse on the "mesa".
 
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theyoungest said:
Apparently he has a point, as 18 percent of Mexican meat is treated with clenbuterol... one can only wonder why no Mexicans have been caught? Or have they?

How often are they (and who are) tested? And are they tested for Clenbuterol?
 
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Someone should award the UCI a prize for rising the general publics awareness of the use of asthma medicine in cattle farming.