Dylan Teuns

[Bugibugi]

The most ridiculous sudden transformation this year. Going from not being near winning a stage, to take home 3 overall classifications and 5 stages along the way. in 3 weeks. And to top it all off, he ofc. is in need of a new contract this year.

So we are dealing with the classical "golden contract year" i suspect.
Am i the only one having spotted the UNreal performance by Teuns?

 

[yaco]

Third year in the WT, so it's not surprising he is improving - Wallonie and Norway aren't strong races and he beat a CT rider for GC in Norway - Should never have won Poland after being dropped on the last two stages before surprisingly the other GC contenders allowed him to rejoin - He's definitely had a hot hand in the last month but two of his wins were in limited company.

 

[GuyIncognito]

He's 25 and in his first season getting freedom, after spending his first two pro years domestiquing for Gilbert who has now left the team.
It's fine.

We're not looking at a 30 year old domestique suddenly going from decent at a specific type of races to world beater like Erik Dekker or Bjarne Riis.

 

[The Hegelian]

Golden contract is golden contract - it's pretty much the second biggest smoking gun on this front, right behind the post 2nd rest day GT blood bag improvement.

Not enough to hang a man on though. Gilbert perhaps.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

He was already 3rd in Fleche Wallone. No surprise he can win if he's giving leader position and in weaker field as well.

 

[Echoes]

So the best Belgian U23 rider of his generation along with Loïc Vliegen is finally breaking through and automatically suspected. I mean look at his 2014 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Teuns
Vliegen is also finally breaking through. Maturation took time especially at BMC where as was said above there were too many leaders. Even a role as domestic is not easy to get.


By the way Erik Dekker broke through after the first UCI blood tests. He was clean before 1997. That's why he could not perform. As a neopro he could already top10 the GP des Amériques in 1992 and then nothing. He was a teammate to Edwig Van Hooydonck after all. But of course his post 1997 career has an asterisk.

 

[Craigee]

but he was in the action in the front almost every single day of the three tours. What a machine.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The most ridiculous sudden transformation this year.

What has Alarcón got to do?!

 

[Kokoso]

Am i the only one having spotted the UNreal performance by Teuns?

Seems so. Nothing unreal about it.

If his performance was something exceptional, you could consider it unreal, but it is not. It was freaking Tour of Wallonie and Arctic race of Norway.

Can I ask where are you from, honestly?

 

[Kokoso]

So the best Belgian U23 rider of his generation along with Loïc Vliegen is finally breaking through and automatically suspected.

Only by BugiBugi and it was his first post on the forum.

 

[DFA123]

The most ridiculous sudden transformation this year. Going from not being near winning a stage, to take home 3 overall classifications and 5 stages along the way. in 3 weeks. And to top it all off, he ofc. is in need of a new contract this year.

So we are dealing with the classical "golden contract year" i suspect.
Am i the only one having spotted the UNreal performance by Teuns?

This is very harsh. Of course there are suspicions - he's a top level cyclist winning races after all. But nothing out of the ordinary; right now he's probably just reaping the training benefits of riding the first two GTs of his career in the last year. That kind of intensity is nearly always going to push talented riders on to the next level of their development.

 

[hrotha]

It is very striking, but plausible by cycling standards.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

With his youth and career trajectory, I'd be very surprised if this was his golden year. He'll be better next year.

 

[bebellion2]

So all you have to do to avoid suspicion is to start doping early in your carreer? Wait, most begin that already in their teens...

 

[Amaru]

So all you have to do to avoid suspicion is to start doping early in your carreer? Wait, most begin that already in their teens...

Of course not. This is cycling there will always be suspicion when a rider is having good results.
But to talk about a "ridiculous transformation" is, well, ridiculous. As said above, the guy has some reference in U23 and, at 25 after 2 years in procycling, is coming to maturity and getting results. This is more your usual learning curve than a guy suddenly doping and turning into a world beater.
I would add that Arctic and TRW are nice race but not that hard. Poland is the only impressive results but his win had more to do with the others GC guy letting him of the hook than him dominating the race.

 

[nayr497]

I just wish he'd shave those whisky whiskers for his podium presentations. They look terrible.

 

[Echoes]

Re:

So all you have to do to avoid suspicion is to start doping early in your career? Wait, most begin that already in their teens...

It usually starts in the U23 ranks, as I've heard. Usually doped juniors don't turn pro (though there are exceptions; Spilak is a good example!). Dylan Teuns was already an excellent junior rider winning the Omloop in 2010.

Suspecting riders - ANY riders - is a natural thing to do. Singling out one rider just because he's won three stage races in a row (not something out of this world) is silly and talking about a transformation is silly in his case is silly. This whole trends to check weird transformation has always sounded silly to me anyway. Many riders have had a linear progression and yet were big EPO dopers or blood transfusers: see Valv Piti or Rebellin. And finally, even though suspicion is understandable, what does it bring up? Most past dopers have been busted anyway. Among the doped 90ers I can only half a dozen "champions" who swum through the mesh of the net. "There's no secret that time does not reveal" said Jean Racine. So let us wait for the concrete evidence which might come up in 20 years time and until then give riders the benefit of doubt: "innocent until found guilty" and when guilty, show no mercy if it's blood or hormone-based (testosterone, etc) dope, a masking agent or a hidden motor ...

 

[WheelofGear]

Nothing really ridiculous.. yet. Just a very good, young puncheur. He was on the limit in Poland but the stages were kinda tailor-made for him.

Let's see how he handles the high mountains.

 

[Brullnux]

Re:

Nothing really ridiculous.. yet. Just a very good, young puncheur. He was on the limit in Poland but the stages were kinda tailor-made for him.

Let's see how he handles the high mountains.

Agreed, and it's not like Wallonia and Norway are particularly high profile and high stakes races. Even in Poland he was the one in best shape, but struggled in the harder stages

 

[noddy69]

Re:

He was already 3rd in Fleche Wallone. No surprise he can win if he's giving leader position and in weaker field as well.

Poland wasn't a weak field by any stretch of the imagination.
Top 10:

1.Teuns
2. Majka
3. Poels
4. Kelderman
5. A Yeats
6. Pozzovivo
7. Oomen
8. Nibali
9. Costa
10 . Zakarin

Its a huge leap to win one tour from a relatively poor career to date apart from outlier of 3rd in La Fleche- he won three in a row and in Poland beat a good field. Strikes me as a sudden change in fortunes and a flag something changed.

 

[kingjr]

All that ranking suggests is that the route was right in the middle between too hard for a mere puncher and too easy for a climber. This area seems to be Teuns' field of expertise at the moment.

 

[noddy69]

Re:

All that ranking suggests is that the route was right in the middle between too hard for a mere puncher and too easy for a climber. This area seems to be Teuns' field of expertise at the moment.

To you that's all it suggests ? everyone else is a climber and no-one else on the list fits the bill you say he does even though there were other candidates in the race .

 

[kingjr]

Like Sagan? He would have been up there but lost 13 min on stage 6 to riders like Rojas and Vakoc. He's probably quite a bit heavier than Teuns though.

 

[yaco]

Re: Re:

He was already 3rd in Fleche Wallone. No surprise he can win if he's giving leader position and in weaker field as well.

Poland wasn't a weak field by any stretch of the imagination.
Top 10:

1.Teuns
2. Majka
3. Poels
4. Kelderman
5. A Yeats
6. Pozzovivo
7. Oomen
8. Nibali
9. Costa
10 . Zakarin

Its a huge leap to win one tour from a relatively poor career to date apart from outlier of 3rd in La Fleche- he won three in a row and in Poland beat a good field. Strikes me as a sudden change in fortunes and a flag something changed.

Did you watch the race - Teuns was dropped in the last 2 stages forcing TVG to come back and pace him back to the leaders - He would have finished out of the top 5 if the leaders co-operated

 

[Brullnux]

Re: Re:

He was already 3rd in Fleche Wallone. No surprise he can win if he's giving leader position and in weaker field as well.

Poland wasn't a weak field by any stretch of the imagination.
Top 10:

1.Teuns
2. Majka
3. Poels
4. Kelderman
5. A Yeats
6. Pozzovivo
7. Oomen
8. Nibali
9. Costa
10 . Zakarin

Its a huge leap to win one tour from a relatively poor career to date apart from outlier of 3rd in La Fleche- he won three in a row and in Poland beat a good field. Strikes me as a sudden change in fortunes and a flag something changed.

1) he was on the limit, and at times dropped, twice in the last two stages. And everyone else around him was using the race as a prelude for something else, while Teuns seemed in peak shape.

2) apart from an annus horribilis last year, this isn't out of sync with his career path so far, especially when you look at past winners of the Tour of Poland.