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European Championships 2023: Road Races (September 22-24)

Welcome to the championships where the men’s junior race gets the hardest route. What a waste.

Word of warning: the gradients on the PCS profiles are well off, but I don’t have anything better.

The circuit
Completely flat for the most part, but with two climbs in short succession: Col du VAM, from the side with cobbles in the final 170 metres…
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…immediately followed by Dak van Drenthe. The finish is at the end of the first steep section, but they do it in full every time before that.
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U23 Men (Friday 22)
Startlist

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U23 Women (September 22)
Startlist

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Junior Men (September 23)
Startlist

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Elite Women (September 23)
Startlist


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Junior Women (September 24)
Startlist


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Elite Men (September 24)
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Over a dozen years ago, Thijs Zonneveld started his diebergkomter initiative to build an artificial mountain in the Netherlands. Initially the idea was so crazy they wanted to build up to 2km high.

Instead we get this.

Bringing me to the question.

Why can we not have good things.
Here's an example of trying to make artificial mountains, this time in New Jersey right next to the Meadowlands stadium where New York Jets and Giants play home games.. Tried to have indoor snow skiing.. In New Jersey ..and to call it a failure is an understatement
 
I don't get why people/riders are saying it's a hard course? Am i missing something? Yes, with bad weather and lots of wind maybe, but that won't be the case for Sunday. Just seems like a bunch sprint on the last Vam Berg if it's a controlled race? I hope teams don't care enough to make it a super controlled race but I don't expect anything.

Rain expected on Friday and Saturday tho but we won't get to see anything from it anyways (actually ridiculous, you have every equipment present but for some reason they refuse to show it).
 
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I know it's not the same when Jumbo is racing some conti guys, but the Dutch Championships on the same (?) course last year actually were pretty selective


yes cause like you said, it's against a bunch of conti guys...

I have seen this argument "look at Dutch nationals" a lot the last week, but it's just not comparable at all. It's like comparing a random 1.1 race on a certain parcours to a WT race on the same parcours, the latter is always going to be way more controlled.
 
Am far from an expert on women's U-23, but that does seem like a very surprising result?

Nice to see Schrieber finally getting a result on the road. Though perhaps she's just getting in form for the CX season.

Pluimers did win the European Jr RR in Alkmaar 4 years ago, so she's not completely unknown, but she wasn't among my favourites either. But in the end it's about hitting the right move, and then have your teammates blocking things behind.

And in women's races, it's quite common that the winner is riding on a Specialized 😉
 
Am far from an expert on women's U-23, but that does seem like a very surprising result?

Nice to see Schrieber finally getting a result on the road. Though perhaps she's just getting in form for the CX season.
Not a total shock because this type of parcours often is more about the right move and tension or disruption behind than it is about a final climb shootout especially in a mixed field here, and the ridiculous depth of Dutch talents as well as their experience racing on Dutch roads with their 8936 pieces of road furniture per kilometre and so on, means that any rider they select is a potential candidate for winning, but certainly Pluimers absolutely wasn't the one that jumped out at you on the startlist.

Shackley being 2nd here is a bit like when Niewiadoma won this same title in Tartu back in 2015, not at all surprising that they're an elite talent in this field, since we all know all about her as a prospect at this point in time, but a bit surprising that they have their success on this of all parcours; of all the WWT one day races you'd have thought Drenthe - which uses the VAMberg as its main obstacle - is just about the least suited to Shackley's skillset this side of de Panne.
 
Over a dozen years ago, Thijs Zonneveld started his diebergkomter initiative to build an artificial mountain in the Netherlands. Initially the idea was so crazy they wanted to build up to 2km high.
According to -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-vanthourenhout-is-not-afraid-of-new-vam-berg
The European Championship circuit largely consists of a local circuit on the VAM mountain, the former waste dump that became a bit higher for this European Championship: in the past the road went up to a height of 48 meters, now it is 63 meters.

and according to Mike Teunissen at
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-can-show-this-atypical-location-to-the-world
"The unpredictable nature of the competition makes it attractive," Teunissen continues. "I am very curious what it is like to ride on the new climb," he refers to the so-called 'Dak van Drenthe', a short, vicious thing that was recently introduced by the organization. "It is certainly an atypical location by Dutch standards. I think it's great that we can show it to Europe in this way. I am really looking forward to participating in the European Championships for the first time in two years. And that in front of our home audience!"
 
I find it strange that Philipsen is not at the Euro's - If the Dutch are confident that Kooij will make the final, then Philipsen most certainly will.
There's a lot of guys who are not at the Euros... btw Kooij actually survived the Worlds course a lot longer than Philipsen did. Same for Gent-Wevelgem. It's not a given that Philipsen is "most certainly" better on a course like this.