Today in Itzulia, Quintana rode past the camera on the final climb and Kirby claimed it was Betancur. Kirby is so smart he has invented a time machine to take us all back to 2013 it seems 
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It was largely Stephens whose comments I was referring to, and whoever he was on air with at the time agreed. I think that it was Kirby, I don't think they ever have Kelly and Kirby on together, as they both fill the same (ex-pro, additional colour and observations to supplement the main commentator) role.
As ES covered the whole race, I have no idea of what you mean by the comments being made before they came on air. You agree with me that the comments were made, you agree (I assume) that the comments were entirely inaccurate, yet you take a very accusatory tone towards me in your first comment. I agree that Stephens was mainly to blame, but this thread is about Eurosport and my comments were about Eurosport, so are valid as a criticism of commentary on Eurosport.
I suspect you are confusing Sean Kelly and Carlton Kirby. Kirby was, I think, commentating throughout: Kelly replaced Stephens in the second chair for the latter part of the race (and after the conversation to which I referred).
yaco said:
It was largely Stephens whose comments I was referring to, and whoever he was on air with at the time agreed. I think that it was Kirby, I don't think they ever have Kelly and Kirby on together, as they both fill the same (ex-pro, additional colour and observations to supplement the main commentator) role.
As ES covered the whole race, I have no idea of what you mean by the comments being made before they came on air. You agree with me that the comments were made, you agree (I assume) that the comments were entirely inaccurate, yet you take a very accusatory tone towards me in your first comment. I agree that Stephens was mainly to blame, but this thread is about Eurosport and my comments were about Eurosport, so are valid as a criticism of commentary on Eurosport.
I suspect you are confusing Sean Kelly and Carlton Kirby. Kirby was, I think, commentating throughout: Kelly replaced Stephens in the second chair for the latter part of the race (and after the conversation to which I referred).
Commentary pairings at Flanders were (approx timings):
Kirby & Kelly - rollout and early km to approx 195k to go
Kirby & Stephens (195km TG - 152km TG)
Stephens & Kelly (152km TG - 76km TG)
Kirby & Stephens (76km TG - 35km TG)
Kirby & Kelly (35km TG - finish)
Matt Stephens does do the main comms role on occasions and he definitely shared the mic with Sean for a middle portion of the race.
Kirby & Kelly - rollout and early km to approx 195k to go
Kirby & Stephens (195km TG - 152km TG)
Stephens & Kelly (152km TG - 76km TG)
Kirby & Stephens (76km TG - 35km TG)
Kirby & Kelly (35km TG - finish)
Matt Stephens does do the main comms role on occasions and he definitely shared the mic with Sean for a middle portion of the race.
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Thanks for that, I hadn't listened for the whole race. I should have guessed that Kirby would have had a break at some stage. The conversation in question must have occurred during the 195 - 152 section. Still got no idea why yaco weighed in accusing me of "blaming Kelly for everything."
argyllflyer said:
Thanks for that, I hadn't listened for the whole race. I should have guessed that Kirby would have had a break at some stage. The conversation in question must have occurred during the 195 - 152 section. Still got no idea why yaco weighed in accusing me of "blaming Kelly for everything."
TALKING HEADS - BEHIND THE SCENES AT EUROSPORT
https://rouleur.cc/editorial/eurosport-behind-scenes-commentary/
The Kirby Codec: Carlton’s compilation of each racing day’s results, profile, destination, distance, climbs, jersey and other stats. His latest one, from this year’s Giro d’Italia,..
From Essential Surrey and London -
https://www.essentialsurrey.co.uk/celebrity-interview/interview-carlton-kirby-cycling-eurosport-tour-de-france/
And this is what Eurosport expect us to suffer every race.
https://rouleur.cc/editorial/eurosport-behind-scenes-commentary/
The Kirby Codec: Carlton’s compilation of each racing day’s results, profile, destination, distance, climbs, jersey and other stats. His latest one, from this year’s Giro d’Italia,..
From Essential Surrey and London -
https://www.essentialsurrey.co.uk/celebrity-interview/interview-carlton-kirby-cycling-eurosport-tour-de-france/
And this is what Eurosport expect us to suffer every race.
How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alberto-contador-becomes-a-eurosport-commentator/
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perhaps one of the visions of eurosport (goes with eurosport in other languages as well) is: There is no value in silence! ....
An ex of mine (she was Korean and a very bright lady) once told me one of the differences between "Eastern" and "Western" culture is the value of words and silence ... if you have nothing meaningful to say, just keep your mouth shut ("Eastern" values) ... doesn't look like this being commonly followed on Korean Chinese or Japanese TV-entertainment channels, but regardless ... I felt a bit offended the moment she told me this, as I was trying to keep a conversation flowing on an evening date, but later, after a thought or two, it opened my eyes a bit ... if silence would not regarded as lack of interest or incompetence, much less crap would be said ....
spiritualride said:
perhaps one of the visions of eurosport (goes with eurosport in other languages as well) is: There is no value in silence! ....
An ex of mine (she was Korean and a very bright lady) once told me one of the differences between "Eastern" and "Western" culture is the value of words and silence ... if you have nothing meaningful to say, just keep your mouth shut ("Eastern" values) ... doesn't look like this being commonly followed on Korean Chinese or Japanese TV-entertainment channels, but regardless ... I felt a bit offended the moment she told me this, as I was trying to keep a conversation flowing on an evening date, but later, after a thought or two, it opened my eyes a bit ... if silence would not regarded as lack of interest or incompetence, much less crap would be said ....
I don't have Eurosport but word on the street is that he's turning out to be a surprisingly good commentator, too.Cycle Chic said:
Thomas Bay is not having a good day!
Somehow missing the fact that Navardauskas is not starting BP today, and twice refering to Vanendert as an AGR winner...
Somehow missing the fact that Navardauskas is not starting BP today, and twice refering to Vanendert as an AGR winner...
Tro Bro Leon on Eurosport live after Amstel. Not even subjected to no commentary eurosportplayer!!!
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I,ve never heard such waffle - he cant even name a rider when they go off the front, cant name any rider in a breakaway or peloton UNLESS its Valverde, Sagan, Greg van Avermaet, or Gilbert. Hes useless. Today he just repeated every climb to fill up time in which he should be calling the race.
Kirby and Backstedt an odd pairing not often used - MB very quick to correct to Carlton's waffle this week.
Kirby can waffle at the best of times, but you are limited when yesterday's coverage was the last 24km's.
Cycle Chic said:
Because Carlton Kirby covers multiple disciplines. A jack of all trades, if you will.
Contador can do one.
the delgados said:
Doesn't that kinda prove the point, though? Eurosport UK has to employ a guy who can cover multiple disciplines, whereas Eurosport Spain can employ someone who specialises. Contador's bound to have some inside knowledge from the peloton Kirby can't possibly have.TRENDING THREADS
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