It was largely Stephens whose comments I was referring to, and whoever he was on air with at the time agreed. I think that it was Kirby, I don't think they ever have Kelly and Kirby on together, as they both fill the same (ex-pro, additional colour and observations to supplement the main commentator) role.yaco said:So which commentator/s were you referring to in your post - And if your post happened before Eurosport came on air ( they covered the whole race ) your post makes no sense.Armchair cyclist said:Where did I attribute, or even tangentially relate, the comment to Kelly. I typed it before Kelly came on air. What makes you think that I have anything against Kelly?yaco said:Except this was also mentioned by Kelly and Stephens - And in fact Stephens a bit of time explaining the changes - But blame Kelly for everything.Armchair cyclist said:Making up facts again: explaining the difficulty of a BotD forming by reference to the increased number of teams. But there are fewer riders, and the same number of teams. 7 teams of 7 this year, 7 teams of 8 from 2014 until last year, and more than 26 teams prior to that.
If you make up facts, and then use them to explain what is happening in the race, it gives the impression that you don't have a clue what is going on.
And why would comments made by Stephens (and Kelly, had he been implicated) not be apposite to mention in a thread about EuroSport commentary, given that he is (they are) part of the EuroSport commentary team.
I remember there was some discussion during the telecast and that Kelly and Stephens surmised having extra teams ( their words ) was a reason why it took 70 kilometres for the break to form.
Thanks for that, I hadn't listened for the whole race. I should have guessed that Kirby would have had a break at some stage. The conversation in question must have occurred during the 195 - 152 section. Still got no idea why yaco weighed in accusing me of "blaming Kelly for everything."argyllflyer said:Commentary pairings at Flanders were (approx timings):
Kirby & Kelly - rollout and early km to approx 195k to go
Kirby & Stephens (195km TG - 152km TG)
Stephens & Kelly (152km TG - 76km TG)
Kirby & Stephens (76km TG - 35km TG)
Kirby & Kelly (35km TG - finish)
Matt Stephens does do the main comms role on occasions and he definitely shared the mic with Sean for a middle portion of the race.
What has changed in commentary in the last 20 years? “In the past, there was a fair amount of *** going on. You can’t pitch up ten minutes beforehand and wing this gig: the previous day’s results, road book and weather details need to be printed off and scoured; social media has to be trawled for rider opinions....The bread and butter of commentary is concise and accurate identification of riders
How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
The UK has Sean Kelly. A man of at least equal stature to Contador.Cycle Chic said:How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
perhaps one of the visions of eurosport (goes with eurosport in other languages as well) is: There is no value in silence! ....spiritualride said:Are they told to leave as minimal silence as possible?
I don't have Eurosport but word on the street is that he's turning out to be a surprisingly good commentator, too.Cycle Chic said:How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
Because Carlton Kirby covers multiple disciplines. A jack of all trades, if you will.Cycle Chic said:How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
Doesn't that kinda prove the point, though? Eurosport UK has to employ a guy who can cover multiple disciplines, whereas Eurosport Spain can employ someone who specialises. Contador's bound to have some inside knowledge from the peloton Kirby can't possibly have.the delgados said:Because Carlton Kirby covers multiple disciplines. A jack of all trades, if you will.Cycle Chic said:How come Spanish Eurosport can afford to pay Contador and yet UK has Kirby.
Contador can do one.