Hannah Walker is annoying. That is all.
This, even above Kirby being a total clown and Sideshow Rob trying to turn everything into a capital-D drama, is probably my biggest issue with GCN/Discosport, that they don't trust their audience, that they always assume their audience knows nothing and needs everything explained all the time.They need to remember that most subscribers are savvy spectators
Jez Cox is the worst for this. Thanks for explaining how bonus seconds work at every single intermediate sprint. Very helpful.This, even above Kirby being a total clown and Sideshow Rob trying to turn everything into a capital-D drama, is probably my biggest issue with GCN/Discosport, that they don't trust their audience, that they always assume their audience knows nothing and needs everything explained all the time.
In fairness, it is also possible that they have several hours of audio content to fill, with little or nothing to work from 95% of the time.Jez Cox is the worst for this. Thanks for explaining how bonus seconds work at every single intermediate sprint. Very helpful.
Maybe. But if someone has nothing interesting to say and has to repeat the same inane things over and over, maybe television commentary isn't his or her ideal profession.In fairness, it is also possible that they have several hours of audio content to fill, with little or nothing to work from 95% of the time.
As the late, great Richie Benaud would say, "let the pictures tell the story".The art of being a good commentator includes knowing when to say nothing.
Silence can sometimes be golden.
That's all well and good at the right time, I feel. I won't gripe about being treated like a novice at the Tour, for example, because that's the time when the largest percentage of casual fans and newcomers will be watching. After a few years it can get a bit grating if they don't switch up the analogies they use or the language used to explain it - hearing Phil and Paul dig into the suitcase of courage and tell us all about little petrol engines and big diesel engines and A Certain Mr Lance Armstrong for the five thousandth time in three weeks is infuriating - but at the same time, you can accept that, it's the biggest race of the year, there's lots of people for whom this will be the only bike race they watch all year and they need to be given an understanding of the basics.I think good commentary needs to assume a portion of the audience is new to the sport and welcome them with periodic explanations. The show broadcast time is long and viewers, new to the sport and the experienced, pop in and out so you can't limit the cycling lessons to just one segment.. I'm always surprised in these threads when a know it all fan gripes about it.
*GauduDon't know how it is over on the English GCN, since I mostly watch them in Dutch or French (cos I can't stand Kirby).
But some silences feel like I'm waiting for Godot.
I think you're being very generous and he screwed up as it was said with no irony.I’ve a feeling that was a reference to the Ottoman-Hungarian wars. And possibly a sly jibe at Eurosport for giving him minor races instead of a GT.
He's always slipping in things for self-amusement or to baffle Brian Smith.
I think that is pretty much itWhich english non-eurosport live commentary is best for Tour de France? is it itv/sbs/usa/world feed?
Which know it all fan are you alluding to ?I think good commentary needs to assume a portion of the audience is new to the sport and welcome them with periodic explanations. The show broadcast time is long and viewers, new to the sport and the experienced, pop in and out so you can't limit the cycling lessons to just one segment.. I'm always surprised in these threads when a know it all fan gripes about it.
This exactlyFor me - having an overexcited commentator at the end of a race is like having canned laughter queuing the viewer that it's time to laugh - akin to someone holding up a "clap" or laugh" sign to a live studio audience. Some people really like it but it puts me off. Of course there are certain times when it's called for and feels natural, but every single race end? Nah! So those guys often get treated to my mute button. Especially Sir Kirbygasm! But lately, often RH too.
last km of a Kirby sprint is always on mute for me.For me - having an overexcited commentator at the end of a race is like having canned laughter queuing the viewer that it's time to laugh - akin to someone holding up a "clap" or laugh" sign to a live studio audience. Some people really like it but it puts me off. Of course there are certain times when it's called for and feels natural, but every single race end? Nah! So those guys often get treated to my mute button. Especially Sir Kirbygasm! But lately, often RH too.
"The line beckons"last km of a Kirby sprint is always on mute for me.
can't be doing with the hysterical stuttering, let's wait and sees, for the time beings, for goodness sakes, i'm afraids etc etc.
i could arrange a Kirby commentary, with these random phrases triggered on my sampler keyboard... and it would still sound just as (in)coherent.
And afterwards, "Sean, that was fun!""The line beckons"
McEwen was on the 2007 and 08 TdF teams where Evans came second, as well as winning green when Evans was 4th in 2006. That man knows a LOT about racing, don't lump him in with Blythe please.Which know it all fan are you alluding to ?
I expressly said "along with the scenery/cycling for dummies comms need also someone who has very good insight and can give better tactics contributions and role play insights, etc "
The key is to try and cater for different audiences ..its not hard to mix it up esp as there is so much air time to fill.
Paul Sherwan was great on the basics and the scenery and the castles ...no one is saying dont include that esp during a GT.
But at the same time
if you have analysis in the studio then that analysis should be of a certain standard and include people with that experience , knowledge and contacts. Experts should be experts in the different aspects of cycling. Not one person in the GCN studio has contended for a GT or been in a team that won a GT ?
SBS isn't bad, Simon Gerrans is finding his feet well but I think Matt Keenan is missing something without McEwen.Which english non-eurosport live commentary is best for Tour de France? is it itv/sbs/usa/world feed?
Keenan is over-rated as a commentator - His knowledge of the peleton and his grasp of the nuances of the race are excellent, however the tone and modulation in his voice are drab and uninspiring - He can be very monotone even in an exciting part of a race.SBS isn't bad, Simon Gerrans is finding his feet well but I think Matt Keenan is missing something without McEwen.
I think Robbie is better at Eurosport though as Keenan isn't there to sidetrack him. He's also making Kelly bearable
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