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Having read last couple of pages it's clear that the next Tour should be an exciting fight for 2nd (behind Rogla). Pogi is the favourite but Vingo can't be underestimated as well.

Obviously this historical fight will take place only if a miracle happens and Rogla doesn't crash. Otherwise the rest will be fighting for victory in an asterisked (as always) Tour edition.
 
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So Rogla acknowledged that it used to be ride sparingly and hit when it matters the most, and now it's about full gas from start to finish. It seems that the plan is to adapt to this new racing style and fingers crossed Rogla pulls through. It would be rather special if Rogla again retires a whole generation of cyclists, by beating them consistently. Compared to what some seem to suggests, that Rogla should retire.

What i will do is i will follow Rogličes lead and see you all in 2025 season. Let it be grand!
 
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Why would they say no? Rogla saved them 10 millions, they can split that in half. Or at least to turn it in a bonus for the Tour win. Only fair.
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They could also invest in better domestiques and young riders Roglic can mentor. I don't know him in any way but he doesn't seem like a greedy individual. He wants to get paid and get the support he's supposed to get rather than be abandoned after hitting a hay bale and see Wout tow his teammate to a new career. That'd sting.
Remco would've been a work in progress. He could possibly be prime for a Tour win in another 2 years if he wants it. Could he do better than ride with Roglic as teacher? He's already been schooled by him.
 
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There for sure are reserves left in regards to the team, signing additional superstars not necessary what is needed the most ATM. As for signing Remco and for Rogla to be his mentor, hard to tell on how that would pan out. Seems like Remco is already trying to position himself as better rider then Rogla so switching teams for him likely comes down to additional guarantees he would be undisputed team leader. I assume. Anyway, seems like both are still undisputed leaders in their respective teams going into 2025 season so that is that. The dynamics in between them to be determined on the road as competitors. Here Rogla needs to stay competitive and if achieved then until then he will likely be able to ride for his team as a team leader, GT winners are not available in abundance. Lets not forget Giro second overall pulled for Rogla, gave him his bike, Vlasov injured and still went through with supporting Rogla, youngsters stepping up ... a lot of new staff and talent for 2025 season ...

All in all likely at least some of that money to be turned into bonuses and that should be motivational and beneficial for all going into 2025 season. As for what comes after 2025 season we will worry about such things then. For now i would say things are rather good, likely better then ever.
 
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All in all likely at least some of that money to be turned into bonuses and that should be motivational and beneficial for all going into 2025 season. As for what comes after 2025 season we will worry about such things then. For now i would say things are rather good, likely better then ever.
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Bora on paper have a great lineup for GTs. I was a bit surprised they didn't bid for Hirschi,

That said, it looks like RB are wisely playing a long game. They will need to make sure they have a rider on the level of Pogacar or Vingegaard to make the investment worthwhile, i.e. a transcendent TdF winner who can be the face of an international brand.

I don't exactly know Red Bull's thinking but I can only assume their ultimate goal is a Tour win, with Red Bull jerseys and helmets standing atop the podium on the Champs Elysees.

Maybe they could make a bid for Vingegaard when his contract is up, if he's still winning GTs? If bid for Remco is true, then I wouldn't be surprised to see that.

But maybe a wiser investment at the moment is developing infrastructure and scouting acumen to find that rider themselves.
 
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Motivation and goals should in my opinion be rather known, that is to win Tour de France. As for (GT) team roster i agree that it's rather great as is, especially if they will manage to make use of all the talent involved. As for branding and international super stardom. I feel that Rogla has them covered for now. I doubt they will sign Jonas anytime soon, more likely for Jonas to write a love letter to Visma for some needed reassurance, as for Pogi i don't see it for now. Remco, hard to say, if there would be mutual desire then likely Remco would already sign for the team. They are likely just messing with Rogla, motivating him to win the Tour 2025, otherwise we will sign Remco ...

Fine.
 
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Bora on paper have a great lineup for GTs. I was a bit surprised they didn't bid for Hirschi,

That said, it looks like RB are wisely playing a long game. They will need to make sure they have a rider on the level of Pogacar or Vingegaard to make the investment worthwhile, i.e. a transcendent TdF winner who can be the face of an international brand.

I don't exactly know Red Bull's thinking but I can only assume their ultimate goal is a Tour win, with Red Bull jerseys and helmets standing atop the podium on the Champs Elysees.

Maybe they could make a bid for Vingegaard when his contract is up, if he's still winning GTs? If bid for Remco is true, then I wouldn't be surprised to see that.

But maybe a wiser investment at the moment is developing infrastructure and scouting acumen to find that rider themselves.
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RB's model in other sports is the long view for product exposure as you pointed out. Being in the game is a good start on that count.
They also appear to let their sponsored vehicles (pun intended) to develop professionally. On that count buying the expensive contract of a limited use motor like Vindegaard might not be a problem but if he doesn't beat Pogacar next year his stock will not rise to the point RB would focus on him. Jonas also would need to develop some marketable charisma; he's not Lindsay Vonn or Max. They should support the team's apparent plan to build their own rider network to assure as much exposure as possible until they win a Tour.
 
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All in all i am cautiously optimistic for the 2025 season. Transition to a new team proved to be a success, there was no real guarantee it would turn out like that. In addition i feel that there is a higher chance of both Rogla and the team to further progress in the next season compared to not doing that. So for sure there are some youngsters pushing hard and more established riders in pro peloton that are hard to beat. But in the end that are sweet worries and of lesser importance compared to being in such good position again.

I am feeling it i am in the good mood. Can't wait for it all to start again.
 
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RB's model in other sports is the long view for product exposure as you pointed out. Being in the game is a good start on that count.
They also appear to let their sponsored vehicles (pun intended) to develop professionally. On that count buying the expensive contract of a limited use motor like Vindegaard might not be a problem but if he doesn't beat Pogacar next year his stock will not rise to the point RB would focus on him. Jonas also would need to develop some marketable charisma; he's not Lindsay Vonn or Max. They should support the team's apparent plan to build their own rider network to assure as much exposure as possible until they win a Tour.
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Yeah, a Vonn or Pogi with that kind of star power + generational talent would be a bit of a unicorn right now, for anyone. Agreed that Vingegaard is probably too shy to be a face of the brand but if he got them a TdF win...Roglic has his charms but he's more of a stopgap.

Too bad MvdP seems to be locked in to Alpecin. He'd be a great arch-villain for Red Bull.
 
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Yeah, a Vonn or Pogi with that kind of star power + generational talent would be a bit of a unicorn right now, for anyone. Agreed that Vingegaard is probably too shy to be a face of the brand but if he got them a TdF win...Roglic has his charms but he's more of a stopgap.

Too bad MvdP seems to be locked in to Alpecin. He'd be a great arch-villain for Red Bull.
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That’s why they wanted Evenepoel
 
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Abi my dabi is Roglic doing the Tour next year? Roglics the last dance?

How ironic would it be with his share of unluck that he rides it with all the luck in the world and all the stars alligned this one time and everyother contender crash out - and he wins in Paris. Would honestly be hillarious and somewhat nice. Roglic a good guy.
 
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Abi my dabi is Roglic doing the Tour next year? Roglics the last dance?

How ironic would it be with his share of unluck that he rides it with all the luck in the world and all the stars alligned this one time and everyother contender crash out - and he wins in Paris. Would honestly be hillarious and somewhat nice. Roglic a good guy.
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He needs the luck Nibali always had
 
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