Fabian Cancellara: whereabouts

[El Pistolero]

In his book Cancellara admitted that he had already missed 2 doping tests and got 2 warnings for it. The first was the day after his Paris-Roubaix victory in 2010 and it is not said when precisely he got his second warning.

Cancellara was/is close to pulling a Rasmussen!

Discuss I guess.

 

[BillytheKid]

In his book Cancellara admitted that he had already missed 2 doping tests and got 2 warnings for it. The first was the day after his Paris-Roubaix victory in 2010 and it is not said when precisely he got his second warning.

Cancellara was/is close to pulling a Rasmussen!

Discuss I guess.

I begin to think the sport will always look the other way up to a point. The thing is a lot of fans, none likely here, desire a spectacular performance. The sport knows it. It's the stuff of legends. Even Eddy Merckx was busted, but lives on as a legend.

American Baseball allows for minor punishment for steroid use on the first two occasions as suspensions within the season, but on the third positive a life-time ban? I read that as a "just don't get caught to often" policy. We remember the "bike motor" talk. Perhaps it was really just the usual.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[fatandfast]

The sport may be looking the other way as suggested. After winning a big race like Paris Roubaix the UCI should have a protocol in place that doesn't allow the winner and others to be tested to leave the control area until they have given the needed samples. The day after or weeks after are just another stinky smear in the way they do business.

test the top 10 guys in all major races period.

 

[Benotti69]

In his book Cancellara admitted that he had already missed 2 doping tests and got 2 warnings for it. The first was the day after his Paris-Roubaix victory in 2010 and it is not said when precisely he got his second warning.

Cancellara was/is close to pulling a Rasmussen!

Discuss I guess.

Edit. Re-read the OP and edited post.

The English footballer Rio Ferdinand got banned for 8 months for missing a dope test after training.

 

[el chava]

I must say this is pretty ridiculous, but why on earth does he state that in the book? I mean people can two and two together, or can they? (to quote Ullrich)

 

[jamiephillips]

He says he missed a test the day after P-R (Monday.) Presumably he would have been tested on the day of the race, right after winning. Therefore missing a test the next day isn't necessarily "testament to a positive" as has been suggested.

 

[Frosty]

OP says that he missed a test the day after Paris-Roubaix and this seems to have morphed into missing a test after finishing the race. There is an important difference between the two.

Edit: Jamie got there before me

 

[frenchfry]

OP says that he missed a test the day after Paris-Roubaix and this seems to have morphed into missing a test after finishing the race. There is an important difference between the two.

Maybe on the whereabouts form he put "on the Paris Roubaix podium" for the day of the race and the testers didn't know where that was.

 

[hrotha]

Obviously any missed test is going to raise eyebrows, but there's a reason missing a test is not the same as testing positive.

 

[Anonymous]

Im guessing that he went out on the lash after the race and either didnt wake up when the testers called, was still out drinking when they called, or he woke up somewhere he wasnt meant to be.

If i won Paris Roubaix you probably couldnt be able to find me where i was meant to be for about a week. May as well thrown my wherabouts form in the bin. Just search the pubs.

 

[MacRoadie]

After winning a big race like Paris Roubaix the UCI should have a protocol in place that doesn't allow the winner and others to be tested to leave the control area until they have given the needed samples.

Well, they don't force them to stay in the control area initially, but they do have to be chaperoned at all times from the end of the race until they give their sample.

You will see riders being met by anti-doping chaperones and escorted to anti-doping on many telecasts, before coverage has even ended.

UCI Anti-Doping Procedural Guideline 2.0

Not to be snarky, but for someone as outspoken as you are regarding professional cycling, I find it a bit shocking that you aren't aware of a VERY basic anti-doping rule.

 

[DirtyWorks]

test the top 10 guys in all major races period.

The reality is, your idea works well for Pat and the dopers. The testing protocols are years behind the PED technology. On top of that, it appears the UCI are training the DS's on current tests. Given the UCI is moving to control all testing, we're back to the go-go 90's in no time.

Check the Tour of Spain's power output article at Ferrari's site. It seems we're already there as long as the race isn't the TdF.

Back test the top 5 starting 5 years ago. A positive eliminates some results from that year with a racing ban happening now.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Edit. Re-read the OP and edited post.

The English footballer Rio Ferdinand got banned for 8 months for missing a dope test after training.

The whereabouts system allows for 3 violations. Hence why Alex Rasmussen (and isn't there a British runner who was pinged on this too?) were caught.

The reason for it is that it can be quite difficult to guarantee where you'll be at set times, because various things can mean you aren't able to do it. As Voeckler pointed out, usually it amounts to nothing because you're not likely to be tested on any random day. Other times, you miss a test. Other times, such as happened to Óscar Pereiro, the testers turn up at the wrong time, so despite you doing nothing wrong you get strange circumstances.

The difference with Rio Ferdinand was that it was a test that was known about, and he deliberately avoided it. That's why he got the ban.

 

[Dancing On The Pedals]

The GB runner was Christine Ohorugu. The BBC's Tom Fordyce did a series of blogs on the whereabouts system a while ago - pretty interesting reading;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/06/inside_the_anti-doping_system.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/06/inside_the_anti-doping_system_1.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/07/life_on_the_uk_anti-doping.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/07/inside_the_anti-doping_system_3.html

Back to the OP, two things jump out at me. Firstly, if he had presumably been tested the day before after the race, why did they go and test him again the next morning? Are random tests randomly generated, or is there some reasoning behind it? Secondly, seems a bit odd that he has chosen to publicise it, no? Wouldn't it just put all the anti-doping authorities on the alert knowing that he is one strike away from a ban?

 

[sheenyp]

It's 3 missed tests in 18 months so guessing PR 2010 has just fallen off the list so he's free to mention it with no impact

Whilst a missed test isn't as bad as a failed test its not good to miss them guilty or not its still fuel for the fire

 

[Mambo95]

Im guessing that he went out on the lash after the race and either didnt wake up when the testers called, was still out drinking when they called, or he woke up somewhere he wasnt meant to be.

If i won Paris Roubaix you probably couldnt be able to find me where i was meant to be for about a week. May as well thrown my wherabouts form in the bin. Just search the pubs.

Well, this is him after his 2006 win. I imagine 2010 was similar.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...' Back test the top 5 starting 5 years ago. A positive eliminates some results from that year with a racing ban happening now.

Ha. Nice. We will know ADAs really mean to clean up sport IF meaningful retrospective testing happens. Otherwise, the expression "****ing in the wind" springs to mind.

Thanks for the links, Dancing On The Pedals.

 

[Dancing On The Pedals]

Thanks for the links, Dancing On The Pedals.

No worries.

 

[sherer]

interesting that the OP has taken this a bit out of context to fit in with their agenda.

I'm pretty sure in his book it will also mention exactly what he was going that day, maybe he was celebrating, sleeping off a hangover etc etc.

Maybe the OP should actually give the full details from the book rather as without the full facts on this it could mean anything.

 

[Midnightfright]

Im guessing that he went out on the lash after the race and either didnt wake up when the testers called, was still out drinking when they called, or he woke up somewhere he wasnt meant to be.

If i won Paris Roubaix you probably couldnt be able to find me where i was meant to be for about a week. May as well thrown my wherabouts form in the bin. Just search the pubs.

Maybe Stu ogrady getting another one of his team mates in trouble by taking them out on the lash.

PS whats up with the Avatar?

 

[El Pistolero]

interesting that the OP has taken this a bit out of context to fit in with their agenda.

I'm pretty sure in his book it will also mention exactly what he was going that day, maybe he was celebrating, sleeping off a hangover etc etc.

Maybe the OP should actually give the full details from the book rather as without the full facts on this it could mean anything.

Yes he did, but I can't remember exactly what he said any more and I don't have the book right now because I'm at University at the moment.

What I put in this thread are facts. Cancellara's excuses for missing 2 doping tests are not facts, but just his side of the story. And we can't now if it's true or not. My post is neutral.


His book also mentioned that he went to Mcdonalds after his gold medal at the WC last year despite still having to participate in the road race. And after his Roubaix victory he went to the Mcdonalds 12 times in a period of 2 weeks or something lol. Let's hope Cancellara never gets tested for Clenbuterol at the Cologne lab lol. I wouldn't trust the cheap South American meat they use at the Mcdonalds.

 

[AussieGoddess]

The GB runner was Christine Ohorugu. The BBC's Tom Fordyce did a series of blogs on the whereabouts system a while ago - pretty interesting reading;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/06/inside_the_anti-doping_system.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/06/inside_the_anti-doping_system_1.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/07/life_on_the_uk_anti-doping.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2011/07/inside_the_anti-doping_system_3.html

Back to the OP, two things jump out at me. Firstly, if he had presumably been tested the day before after the race, why did they go and test him again the next morning? Are random tests randomly generated, or is there some reasoning behind it? Secondly, seems a bit odd that he has chosen to publicise it, no? Wouldn't it just put all the anti-doping authorities on the alert knowing that he is one strike away from a ban?

really interesting blog - thanks

Having read that - I no longer feel much sympathy for Alex Rasmussen and Jeannie Longo. As a professional athlete, its your responsibility ... just as training is. Its not hard.

 

[sherer]

Yes he did, but I can't remember exactly what he said any more and I don't have the book right now because I'm at University at the moment.

What I put in this thread are facts. Cancellara's excuses for missing 2 doping tests are not facts, but just his side of the story. And we can't now if it's true or not. My post is neutral.


His book also mentioned that he went to Mcdonalds after his gold medal at the WC last year despite still having to participate in the road race. And after his Roubaix victory he went to the Mcdonalds 12 times in a period of 2 weeks or something lol. Let's hope Cancellara never gets tested for Clenbuterol at the Cologne lab lol. I wouldn't trust the cheap South American meat they use at the Mcdonalds.

So basically he won a race and went out to celebrate and then that caused him to miss a test the next day even though he was tested straight after winning.

You chose to leave that out to fit in with your agenda.

Are these trips to McDonalds trips for his kids to treat them, maybe he isn't even eating there just his kids ?

Seems you have very little to go on here

 

[El Pistolero]

So basically he won a race and went out to celebrate and then that caused him to miss a test the next day even though he was tested straight after winning.

You chose to leave that out to fit in with your agenda.

Are these trips to McDonalds trips for his kids to treat them, maybe he isn't even eating there just his kids ?

Seems you have very little to go on here

No, he eats. A LOT.

And I didn't leave out anything. Cancellara can say what he wants, doesn't make it true. What is true is that he missed 2 doping tests.

 

[WillemS]

What is true is that he missed 2 doping tests.

Even that, you have only heard from Cancellara himself and thus has the same value as his mentioning that one of the missed tests was just a day after P-R 2010. He might have missed 20 tests, send a few suitcases full to Pat and only told us about 2. Not that I am claiming that's true, but the source of the two missed tests is the same as the source that's saying one of them is the day after P-R.

If we assume that he missed two, and only two, tests, I'm willing to assume as well that one of them was the day after P-R. I don't hold to much value in that latter missed tests, as he probably was tested right after P-R. And that's basically what some guys in the thread are saying. People make errors, they can miss tests. That doesn't equal they're doped. (But they might be...)