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Fabrice Souloy trotting trainer

http://harnessracingamerica.com/cobalt-positives-rock-souloy-stable-europe/
Four horses in trainer Fabrice Souloy’s stable tested positive for cobalt, the Swedish Trotting Association announced Friday afternoon. Lionel, Un Mec d’Héripré, Your Highness, and Timone EK are cited as the impacted horses. France-based Souloy manages a large stable, including many Group I level trotters. The 49-year-old has 1,125 career wins to his name, including 49 this year from 344 starts.

Cobalt is a naturally-occurring element in all horses and is not considered to be harmful at normal levels. It can be found in many horse feeds and vitamin supplements. However, administration of high doses of cobalt salts to horses has the potential to enhance athletic performance in a manner similar to blood doping agents and can cause detrimental effects on a number of body systems.

According to a release from Svensk Travsport, all four affected horses tested positive for elevated cobalt levels after competing at Bjerke Travbane in Norway June 12.

The Swedish Trotting Association immediately handed Souloy a suspension from racing in Sweden and other Nordic countries as a result of the cobalt overages. They also notified the European Trotting Union UET of the suspension for enforcement throughout Europe.

According to Svensk Travsport, representatives of the Swedish and Nordic Trotting Associations visited Souloy’s stable Thursday, September 8 in an effort to further investigate their case.

“You never want to have positive doping test, but at the same time, this is a proof that our work is working. This has been a very good cooperation across borders. Our ambition and desire is to have a clean harness racing,” Swedish Trotting Association Veterinarian Antti Rautalinko said.

Sweden and Norway are investigating the case together and the case will then be handed over to the Scandinavian Doping Committee.

see also for same doping (cobolt) - Jan 2016 in Australiahttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-...se-trainers-banned-over-cobalt-doping/7099976
2015 in the US http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/cobalt-how-big-a-problem-in-us-shared-archive/
"For decades, cobalt has been known to be effective in humans for fighting anemia by stimulating the production of red blood cells (erythropoiesis). Prior to the development of synthetic “EPO” in the 1970s, Benson said cobalt was what a person in kidney failure might be prescribed.

Increased red blood cell production leads to better oxygenation of the blood and, consequently, better endurance and decreased muscle fatigue. So sometime in the mid-twentieth century, humans began experimenting with the ingestion of cobalt chloride (powdered cobalt “salts”) to improve athletic performance.

But according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information, “although cobalt is an essential trace element, toxic effects of excessive administration have been described in humans and animals, including organ damage, impaired thyroid activity and goiter formation.”

Presumably, those frightening side effects were why human athletes gravitated to synthetic EPO abuse around 1990. Horse racing too, eventually had its share of EPO dopers and began testing for it. But word got around that jurisdictions didn’t test for cobalt, which could either be fed or injected into horses. "
 
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Interesting stuff.
Is there a general thread on doping in horse racing ?
If not, maybe this could be it. There is quite a bit of spill over from horse racing into cycling, on the managers level I mean. It c/w/should be interesting to look at that.
Oricas general manager (or his brother) for instance.
Or the guy who co-founded and managed 7-eleven.
Growing old. I'm forgetting all these names.
There must be more.
It raises the (rethorical) question: what is it that connects horse racing to cycling? ;)
 
2013 - Godolphin doping scandal
http://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/27055292
... a major doping scandal at the heart of horse racing's biggest global thoroughbred operation.

The powerful Godolphin team called it "a dark day for racing" as 11 of its horses were revealed to have been injected with banned anabolic steroids. Founder Sheikh Mohammed, the ruler of Dubai, was said to be "absolutely appalled".

More positive tests followed, a separate drugs controversy unfolded and two Newmarket-based trainers were banned for a total of 13 years.
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Mahmood Al Zarooni: When inquiring into the seven additional doped horses - which Al Zarooni had not admitted to - the BHA was unable to contact the trainer.

He previously told of bringing the drugs into the UK in his luggage from Dubai, and handing needles from a car window to assistants at the stables, but a full timeline of his movements has never been published.

Sheikh Mohammed: While his own internal inquiry, headed by former police boss Lord Stevens, absolved the sheikh of any blame, his equine interests have been under investigation elsewhere.

In August 2013, the British government's Department of Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) discovered 124 unauthorised medical products at the Newmarket stables of the sheikh's endurance trainer Jaume Punti Dachs.

Three months earlier, a shipment of drugs, unauthorised for use in the UK, was seized by border officials at Stansted Airport from a private jet owned by the Dubai government.
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So is horse racing in a better, or worse, position following one of its biggest scandals?

David Walsh, the award-winning Sunday Times journalist who helped expose Lance Armstrong as a drugs cheat, believes racing has some parallels with cycling and accused authorities of "lacking true conviction".(see http://racing.channel4.com/watch-now/interviews/videoid=1238966/index.html )
 
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Ah, yes, Dr Mabuse - cycling has a long and not terribly illustrious history with dodgy vets and horse trainers

Both are a mucky, murky milieu
 
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sniper said:
Interesting stuff.
Is there a general thread on doping in horse racing ?
If not, maybe this could be it. There is quite a bit of spill over from horse racing into cycling, on the managers level I mean. It c/w/should be interesting to look at that.
Oricas general manager (or his brother) for instance.
Or the guy who co-founded and managed 7-eleven.
Growing old. I'm forgetting all these names.
There must be more.
It raises the (rethorical) question: what is it that connects horse racing to cycling? ;)

i had been involved in thoroughbred and harness race horses as an owner and trainer in the past for many years. I have seen the most crazy *** they would do to horse. I had to leave. It was all just too cruel on such beautiful animals. Just horrible.
 
Robert5091 said:
Agree, Swedish Trotting's Secretary-General called it "animal cruelty". Then again, one could argue that trotting itself is not exactly kind.

Why is trotting itself not kind? The horses are well fed and cared for and they are athletes that enjoy their work and racing. Its what they are bred to do.
 
Craigee said:
Robert5091 said:
Agree, Swedish Trotting's Secretary-General called it "animal cruelty". Then again, one could argue that trotting itself is not exactly kind.

Why is trotting itself not kind? The horses are well fed and cared for and they are athletes that enjoy their work and racing. Its what they are bred to do.
The horses "enjoy their work"? I'm sorry, I know I haven't been a part of this conversation but I have to know how anyone would know that the horses "enjoy their work and racing"?
 
Craigee said:
Robert5091 said:
Agree, Swedish Trotting's Secretary-General called it "animal cruelty". Then again, one could argue that trotting itself is not exactly kind.

Why is trotting itself not kind? The horses are well fed and cared for and they are athletes that enjoy their work and racing. Its what they are bred to do.
I can assure you, aside from a extremely small minority, horses don't like their work. They were bred to race. It was not their choice. They are trained and raced into the ground and given painkillers, Injected everywhere, to keep them going. And when they can't compete at a certain level because they are just slow or lame they are put in cheaper competition and so on until they reach the ugly end. And they all end up there excet for a few mares or studs who are then bred to make more animals to exploit. They are abused from day one with only one thought in mind, to make money for a human. Don't be fooled by how beautiful they look, it is a meat market. Terribly sad.
 
veganrob said:
Craigee said:
Robert5091 said:
Agree, Swedish Trotting's Secretary-General called it "animal cruelty". Then again, one could argue that trotting itself is not exactly kind.

Why is trotting itself not kind? The horses are well fed and cared for and they are athletes that enjoy their work and racing. Its what they are bred to do.
I can assure you, aside from a extremely small minority, horses don't like their work. They were bred to race. It was not their choice. They are trained and raced into the ground and given painkillers, Injected everywhere, to keep them going. And when they can't compete at a certain level because they are just slow or lame they are put in cheaper competition and so on until they reach the ugly end. And they all end up there excet for a few mares or studs who are then bred to make more animals to exploit. They are abused from day one with only one thought in mind, to make money for a human. Don't be fooled by how beautiful they look, it is a meat market. Terribly sad.

Thanks for the post veganrob - I could not have put it better.
 
You clearly don't handle horses. I've done it all my life. Who would know better? You or me? They enjoy their work. They soon let you know when they don't enjoy it just like people. You need to live with animals to have a clue. And I don't drug my horses. I have one now that has won $227,000 and he loves to race. He wouldn't perform so well if he didn't. Think about it.
 
Meat market? When my present horse I mention above finishes racing I will make sure that I find a great home for him where he will be well looked after and ridden as he enjoys working with people. Do you lot realise the historic bond between man and horse that has got us to where we are today? We don't need horses now to live but we did for thousands of years.

I would guess that at least 80% of pro riders have doped but that it would be more like 5% with racehorses. Here is where you are confused.
 
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Craigee said:
Meat market? When my present horse I mention above finishes racing I will make sure that I find a great home for him where he will be well looked after and ridden as he enjoys working with people. Do you lot realise the historic bond between man and horse that has got us to where we are today? We don't need horses now to live but we did for thousands of years.

I would guess that at least 80% of pro riders have doped but that it would be more like 5% with racehorses. Here is where you are confused.
Do you realize that your on a Cycling based website scoffing at people for not knowing everything-there-is-to-know about horses? Seriously, tone it down a notch.
 
Robert5091 said:
I can assure you, aside from a extremely small minority, horses don't like their work.
I am somehow not quite assured.

Sport is sport. This, while interesting, should suspire no one here. I do care far, far more about the humans doping.*

*I apologize in advance if anyone reads this in 2053; I agree, it is a gross violation of the anti-animal discrimination act of 2047 and the anti-indifference act of 2051.
 
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Craigee said:
Meat market? When my present horse I mention above finishes racing I will make sure that I find a great home for him where he will be well looked after and ridden as he enjoys working with people. Do you lot realise the historic bond between man and horse that has got us to where we are today? We don't need horses now to live but we did for thousands of years.

I would guess that at least 80% of pro riders have doped but that it would be more like 5% with racehorses. Here is where you are confused.
Congratulations on being a horse owner with a concience and love for horses. You are few and far between. I have raced and won at Belmont Park, Aqueduct Saratoga, Finger Lakes, Woodbine, Hialeah, Gulfstream Park, Calder, Oaklawn as well as shitholes ike DRC, Hazel Park, Thistledown, Philadaelphia park. I've been around. Several times and know the business inside and out.
Where have you raced? Are you a trainer? Veterinarian??. Where do you come up with 5%. That is just ridiculous. I know trainers giving their horses Ritalin in the 70's. EPO in the 80's and other *** that could have been mixed up in the bathtub. *** you would not ever believe. But I saw it happen with my own eyes. Like cycling, the vets and trainers are way ahead of the testers. How about snake venom on horses at Aqueduct. Yep Seen it. How about IV vodka as a pre race drug. Yep, happened. Nerve blocks on horses with broken feet. No problem, happens all the time. And those horses just can't wait to go out and race. Hell yeah!
Got any other questions I'll be glad to answer.
 
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veganrob said:
Craigee said:
Meat market? When my present horse I mention above finishes racing I will make sure that I find a great home for him where he will be well looked after and ridden as he enjoys working with people. Do you lot realise the historic bond between man and horse that has got us to where we are today? We don't need horses now to live but we did for thousands of years.

I would guess that at least 80% of pro riders have doped but that it would be more like 5% with racehorses. Here is where you are confused.
Congratulations on being a horse owner with a concience and love for horses. You are few and far between. I have raced and won at Belmont Park, Aqueduct Saratoga, Finger Lakes, Woodbine, Hialeah, Gulfstream Park, Calder, Oaklawn as well as shitholes ike DRC, Hazel Park, Thistledown, Philadaelphia park. I've been around. Several times and know the business inside and out.
Where have you raced? Are you a trainer? Veterinarian??. Where do you come up with 5%. That is just ridiculous. I know trainers giving their horses Ritalin in the 70's. EPO in the 80's and other **** that could have been mixed up in the bathtub. **** you would not ever believe. But I saw it happen with my own eyes. Like cycling, the vets and trainers are way ahead of the testers. How about snake venom on horses at Aqueduct. Yep Seen it. How about IV vodka as a pre race drug. Yep, happened. Nerve blocks on horses with broken feet. No problem, happens all the time. And those horses just can't wait to go out and race. Hell yeah!
Got any other questions I'll be glad to answer.

I am an Oceania southern hemisphere harness trainer and we are not allowed to give horses pain killers. All winners get swabbed tested so easily detected. We have Class and higher standards if all that you say here happens to be true. Example, Trainers are allowed to give Lasix to bleeders in the States. We are not.
 
Problem with this thread is some posters have little knowledge about thoroughbred or harness racing - I can say categorically like all sports the use of banned substances is common - And some of the banned substances are used to make the animals go slower - It's also a grey area because each jurisdiction, in not only countries, but individual states have different rules around prohibited substances - We can say that cobalt is a scourge on the industry.
 

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