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Fancy Bears not hackers but Russian Intelligence

I think it was always assumed Fancy Bears are a Russian government-sponsored group, and their website was deliberately amateur in its coding, to make it look like some patriotic hacker group acting independently.

The big news is that Russian spooks had a unit operating on-site to steal information from WADA in Switzerland :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45746837
The same GRU laptop computers used to target the Malaysia airliner and Salisbury novichok investigations also have data obtained from WADA in Lausanne Switzerland

Previously it was thought that logins were stolen remotely using phishing emails. Russians probably do have a lot more material on WADA than what was released by Fancy Bears.
 
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
I think it was always assumed Fancy Bears are a Russian government-sponsored group, and their website was deliberately amateur in its coding, to make it look like some patriotic hacker group acting independently.

The big news is that Russian spooks had a unit operating on-site to steal information from WADA in Switzerland :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45746837
The same GRU laptop computers used to target the Malaysia airliner and Salisbury novichok investigations also have data obtained from WADA in Lausanne Switzerland

Previously it was thought that logins were stolen remotely using phishing emails. Russians probably do have a lot more material on WADA than what was released by Fancy Bears.
they're back in aren't they :D
 
gillan1969 said:
ClassicomanoLuigi said:
I think it was always assumed Fancy Bears are a Russian government-sponsored group, and their website was deliberately amateur in its coding, to make it look like some patriotic hacker group acting independently.

The big news is that Russian spooks had a unit operating on-site to steal information from WADA in Switzerland :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45746837
The same GRU laptop computers used to target the Malaysia airliner and Salisbury novichok investigations also have data obtained from WADA in Lausanne Switzerland

Previously it was thought that logins were stolen remotely using phishing emails. Russians probably do have a lot more material on WADA than what was released by Fancy Bears.
they're back in aren't they :D
Maybe they didn't pick up the tab for the conference in the Seychelles after all :cool:
 
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2quick points, may be 3...

1. why would anyone genuinely concerned with anti-doping object to to FB exposing the dopers hiding behind the various wada loopholes like a tue (AND WADA Lippe gezippt about it) ? several were exposed including a british darling cyclist, weren't they ?

2. can anyone key me to a factual basis for the latest brouhaha-ha EXCEPT the so and so said it is so :rolleyes: ...i understand the ease of the accusations connected to a public mood in the west, but aren't we in the clinic supposed to be more rigorous ?

3. as often, russia has failed the anti-doping regime, but why would smart people not note that that by going after a single - likely complicit - nation all other potential dopers feel a relief, if not a joy, that THEY are off the radar....

as often in life, it's more complicated and the current 'news' isn't really the news but a political something.
 
Not surprised seemed obvious to me. But this goes way beyond cycling. Cyber meddling by the super powers is a big issue and I hope this news might help put the brakes on. China is probably worse than Russia. Not so untouchable after all.
 
WADA said the ADAMS hack by Fancy Bear was done using email phishing :
"Fancy Bear obtained access to the Rio 2016 Olympic Games account through spear phishing of ADAMS users’ email accounts through which hackers obtained ADAMS passwords. We still have no reason to believe that they have accessed the broader ADAMS system." https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2016-10/cyber-hack-update-data-leak-concerning-20-athletes-from-14-countries-and-13
Whereas the new revelations show that Russian GRU had a team of operatives travel physically to WADA headquarters and park a car full of electronic surveillance equipment outside. To directly intercept activity on the local computer networks. That ought to be a lot more alarming to WADA than the ADAMS hack, which was mostly boring information.

Also mentioned in the BBC article are USADA, the Canadian WADA headquarters in Montreal, and the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport. So those are three other antidoping organizations potentially compromised. And FIFA was somehow targeted, they don't say how, but maybe that will be revealed as the story develops.

It shows a lot of determination and resources, to go in person to foreign targets with carloads of surveillance gear. And these guys were also meddling in the novichok poison investigation in the UK and chemical weapons labs in Switzerland. So they are involved in some sinister stuff in the aftermath of the assassination plot. It seems like they are a kind of response team sent to deal with a lot of Russian public-relations problems abroad. To try to find out how much investigators know, and to try to spin the outcome somehow.
 
BullsFan22 said:
Of course it was the Russians. The Russians also caused global warming. And also assassinated JFK. And it was Putin who told Pete Carroll to throw the ball instead of running it...
Ha! Ha-ha-ha—HA. Clearly Darrel Bevel was a Russian agent!
 


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45758316
Even though the men were travelling on diplomatic passports, they could still have been arrested because they were not accredited diplomats in the Netherlands.

So questions have been asked about the decision to send the suspects home immediately, rather than detain them. Hours after the cyber-plot revelations, US justice officials levelled charges against the four suspects as well as three others.

Asked on Dutch TV on Thursday night why the men had not been arrested, Maj-Gen Eichelsheim explained that it had been a counter-intelligence operation with the specific aim of gathering intelligence and keeping the Netherlands safe.

Political leaders agreed that the men had not been detained because it was an intelligence operation, rather than a criminal inquiry led by the police.

According to Dutch expert Willemijn Aerdts from Leiden university, the intelligence services have no powers of arrest or prosecution.

"If they had arrested them, they would have had to inform the police," she told the BBC.
 
Putin says the Skripal novichok attack and all of the hacking attacks are "nonsense" invented by sensationalists and "another spy scandal that has been artificially pumped up."
"What, were battles between special services born yesterday? Everybody knows that espionage, like prostitution, is one of the most important professions in the world" https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-slams-traitor-sergei-skripal-bastard/29523407.html
He and the Russian officials have also pointed out the implausibility of hacking foreign targets in person, when the same results could have been obtained using conventional hacking techniques without having to travel anywhere.

Which makes me think that Russians did get more information on WADA which hasn't been disclosed. Because for a team of four GRU operatives to pursue WADA targets by traveling across three different continents, and only come up with some TUE's from the ADAMS, would be considered a big failure and waste of resources.
With the ban on Russian athletes having been lifted already, I kind of doubt that Putin cares about WADA, seems like that part of the objectives was accomplished. And the whole exposure of GRU agents and activities right now is very costly

The impression that came out of the leaks about a Russian systematic doping program was, that an order came from the top, "win at any cost", and therefore doping was okay with Putin as a means towards that end. Would require some more study to figure out whether anything was personally approved by Putin, or whether it was just his vague general directive.

WADA president Craig Reedie 'deeply hurt' by predecessor's accusations of putting money over principle
https://www.firstpost.com/sports/wada-president-craig-reedie-deeply-hurt-by-predecessors-accusations-of-putting-money-over-principle-5252731.html

If not money, then what? компрома́т? Intimidation? These Russian operatives who were pursuing WADA are a different unit of the GRU than the hardened killers who do assassinations, but it would be reasonable to want to avoid trouble with Russia. Either way, WADA is not going to be a more-believable organization anytime in the near future
 

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