Gazprom-Rusvelo

[Ripper]

Gazprom-Rusvelo - LMAO!

Amazing TT by their riders today

 

[Jakub]

Gazprom-Rusvelo - LMAO!

Amazing TT by their riders today

it's actually...a way too obvious. Those guys looked like ready for a box-duel when arrived. In comparison Majka looked like je raced clean.

 

[Bronstein]

I think we should wait for some more evidence.

 

[jsem94]

The evidence is in their track record....

 

[Red Rick]

Unless the wind changed, I'm expecting positives

 

[meat puppet]

Foliforov finishing sprint was awesome, channelling vintage froome

 

[burning]

That was awesome tbh.

 

[Jakub]

Re:

Unless the wind changed, I'm expecting positives

Unless the wind changed, the blood changed

it would be great to get positives, but I am afraid UCI will be silent.

 

[Saint Unix]

It was hilarious to watch. If they're going to dope, the least they can do is be so outrageously blatant about it.

 

[DFA123]

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

 

[Martin]

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I think we should wait for some more evidence.

What kind of other evidence do you need? Guys who barely won any race, never believed to be among big talents, suddenly finish 1st and 4th on true mountain top TT? is not enough!?

 

[dgodave]

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Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

Its got to be the recent news of Russian state involvement in "athletics" doping, right?

 

[Martin]

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Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

Necause this topic is about russian team. I got the same feeling of Caja Rural, who ruled this year's tour of turkey with laughing ease.

 

[HappyCycling]

Two riders in the top 4. Absolute joke.

 

[Miburo]

The man looked very happy. Let him enjoy the few weeks

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

There's just too much to respond to here.

My question is - have you been living under a rock?

And no, I am not trying to attack you, more just curious if you are actually unaware of things.

I'm well aware of the doping issues in Russia - and I'd be surprised if Gazprom were riding clean. But it's not like the other riders finishing in the top 10 are squeaky clean. Scarponi, Valverde... riders who are actually proven dopers.

Nibali, Kruijswijk... they are from countries with more history of doping in cycling than the Russians.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

With Zakarin he had few results to speak of until he was as old as Foliforov is now and had tested positive as a teenager. He did have his breakthrough with Rusvelo though. Foliforov's been a decent U23 at least, but as we know from the likes of Zakarin that doesn't preclude an early start.

Remember there was that incident where three of their riders got busted and got reduced bands cos the doctor cocked up something three years ago.

However, that said, the amount of salt being thrown in the PRR forum because of Foliforov winning is ridiculous, he beat Kruijswijk by half a second after resting up yesterday, and we didn't see enough of his ride to really ascertain techniques like happened with Zakarin when we watched him and thought, how does he put down that power riding so inefficiently? People are reacting like it's Horner winning the Vuelta, and it really isn't like that. It isn't even Santambrogio, cos he's only done this on one stage thus far and the time check was rendered more or less irrelevant by a poor placing of it to make it difficult to judge. Maybe like Cobo in 2011 on the Angliru, he just chose the best gearing. And yes, maybe he chose the best gear.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

Nibali, Valverde etc are the dopers we know. These barely known Russians are the dopers we didn't know. Thus, when they beat the dopers we know who have been at the top of the doped up cycling game for years, the evidence is strong they're doping, leading to people saying so in the clinic, ie reacting with disbelief.

Many of us don't begrudge them their doping more so than we object to the doping of the big names, though I concede that some do, which is wrong.

 

[Ripper]

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I was struck by there being 2 in the top 5 and their previous results as a contrast, as well as the team. Highly suspicious.

Did not know there was salt being thrown in the PRR forum ... didn't bother looking there!

And not related to LS' post:
As for other teams/riders, well ya! I think there are threads on many

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

There's just too much to respond to here.

My question is - have you been living under a rock?

And no, I am not trying to attack you, more just curious if you are actually unaware of things.

I'm well aware of the doping issues in Russia - and I'd be surprised if Gazprom were riding clean. But it's not like the other riders finishing in the top 10 are squeaky clean. Scarponi, Valverde... riders who are actually proven dopers.

Nibali, Kruijswijk... they are from countries with more history of doping in cycling than the Russians.

Ugghh. We have to go through this every time someone's favorite rider, or favorite team, or favorite country is the subject of a new thread in the clinic. "Why focus on X when Y and Z are clearly doping!"

Look around!

Scroll to any of the other posts in this forum, before assuming that your man is the victim of bias. Go find the Astana thread to see everyone discuss Ferrari's involvement, Vino's leadership, Nibali's power numbers, and Scarponi's age. Go to the Valverde thread to see his performances questioned every time he wins, which is several times a month it seems.

Complaining that the spotlight is on your rider is like complaining that the cashier at the cafe is rude to you: you weren't listening when they were rude to everyone else, and are complaining too loudly to hear them be rude to everyone behind you.

Take a minute to calm down, and get some perspective.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

Nibali, Valverde etc are the dopers we know. These barely known Russians are the dopers we didn't know. Thus, when they beat the dopers we know who have been at the top of the doped up cycling game for years, the evidence is strong they're doping, leading to people saying so in the clinic, ie reacting with disbelief.

Many of us don't begrudge them their doping more so than we object to the doping of the big names, though I concede that some do, which is wrong.

Fair point; and of course they should be called out. But the posts saying they shouldn't have been invited to the Giro are ridiculous double standards, when you have riders like Nibali, Valverde and Ulissi dominating the race.

I think there is an undertone of xenophobia in the thread, and the PRR one about the stage today, which wasn't there when Roglic put in two amazing time trials, or when Carthy was putting in ridiculous rides earlier this season.

 

[saganftw]

the most suspiscious part of this TT was that foliforov gained like 30+ seconds on kruiswijk after timecheck, he was so much better than everybody on the climb pantani is rolling in the grave like "damn son"

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

There's just too much to respond to here.

My question is - have you been living under a rock?

And no, I am not trying to attack you, more just curious if you are actually unaware of things.

I'm well aware of the doping issues in Russia - and I'd be surprised if Gazprom were riding clean. But it's not like the other riders finishing in the top 10 are squeaky clean. Scarponi, Valverde... riders who are actually proven dopers.

Nibali, Kruijswijk... they are from countries with more history of doping in cycling than the Russians.

Ugghh. We have to go through this every time someone's favorite rider, or favorite team, or favorite country is the subject of a new thread in the clinic. "Why focus on X when Y and Z are clearly doping!"

Look around!

Scroll to any of the other posts in this forum, before assuming that your man is the victim of bias. Go find the Astana thread to see everyone discuss Ferrari's involvement, Vino's leadership, Nibali's power numbers, and Scarponi's age. Go to the Valverde thread to see his performances questioned every time he wins, which is several times a month it seems.

Complaining that the spotlight is on your rider is like complaining that the cashier at the cafe is rude to you: you weren't listening when they were rude to everyone else, and are complaining too loudly to hear them be rude to everyone behind you.

Take a minute to calm down, and get some perspective.

What are you talking about? I've got aboslutely no affinity with Russia, Gazprom or any of their riders.

I'm referring to the posts saying that Gazprom shouldn't have been invited in the PRR. Where are the same threads saying Movistar, Lampre, Astana or Lotto shouldn't have been invited?

There are double standards at play here, and its disingenuous to deny it.

 

[Ripper]

Re: Re:

Ugghh. We have to go through this every time someone's favorite rider, or favorite team, or favorite country is the subject of a new thread in the clinic. "Why focus on X when Y and Z are clearly doping!"

Look around!

Scroll to any of the other posts in this forum, before assuming that your man is the victim of bias. Go find the Astana thread to see everyone discuss Ferrari's involvement, Vino's leadership, Nibali's power numbers, and Scarponi's age. Go to the Valverde thread to see his performances questioned every time he wins, which is several times a month it seems.

Complaining that the spotlight is on your rider is like complaining that the cashier at the cafe is rude to you: you weren't listening when they were rude to everyone else, and are complaining too loudly to hear them be rude to everyone behind you.

Take a minute to calm down, and get some perspective.

This says it better than I can. Thanks!

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Why does everyone always pick on the Russians? Who exactly believes that Nibali, Valverde or Kruijswijk are riding this clean? It was the same with Zakarin - why aren't the Russians allowed to play the game?

I rather pick on the brits

Me too

At least Gazprom are gracious enough to just take the odd TT win - no more than what any other pro team does. While Sky feel the need to ruin the TdF for half a decade.