Giro d'Italia 2017 STAGE 21: Monza – Milano 29.3 km ITT

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The Schleck TT is really a terrible comparison as he'd been in 60km and 90km longe range attacks the 2 days before.

Which was his own fault after not doing enough attacking in the first two thirds of the race. The thing about having both brothers on the podium cost him because if Frank totally sacrificed himself it would have put much more pressure on Evans. But similar to Dumoulin Evans did defend very well in the mountains and was strong in the third week as the TT showed.

 

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Was one of Schleck's best time trials in his career as evidenced by his 16th place. He was never going to hold a minute on Cadel over 42.5, especially when Cadel had probably the best performance of his life.

Was it really tho? I'd argue all of his time trials from 09-11 in the Tour were better apart from the prologue in Rotterdam 2010. I realise the result of the long time trial in 2010 may deceive, but he pretty much rode a flat and long course as fast as Contador - it was a lot more exciting than the 2011-time trial, on a hilly course, where he even had the jersey.

Andy's time trials in 2008-13. The one in 2011 was pretty as good as he did in all his previous years. He wasn't going to win with the performance Cadel put on. Its's sad he never show an improvement and never contended again from that tour when he was just 26.

2008
Stage 4 - 29.5k - 20th place - 1:29 back of leader.
Stage 20 - 53k - 30th place. 4:02 back.

2009
Stage 1 - 15.5k - 16th place. 1:00 back.
Stage 18 - 40.5k - 21st place. 1:45 back.

2010
Stage 1 - 8.9k - 122nd place - 1:09 back.
Stage 19 - 51k - 44th place - 6:14 back. (late headwind)

2011
Stage 20 - 42.5k - 16 place (st) - 2:38 back.

2013
Stage 11 - 33k - 122nd place (st) - 4:44 back.
Stage 17 - 32k - 15th place - 2:27 back.

 

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Landa looks happy to go to the Tour!

No he ain't, but what can he do about it?

I pray he goes to Bahrain

To work for Nibali?

No you silly, not the team, the country. A citytrip in july.

 

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The Schleck TT is really a terrible comparison as he'd been in 60km and 90km longe range attacks the 2 days before.

Which was his own fault after not doing enough attacking in the first two thirds of the race. The thing about having both brothers on the podium cost him because if Frank totally sacrificed himself it would have put much more pressure on Evans. But similar to Dumoulin Evans did defend very well in the mountains and was strong in the third week as the TT showed.

Another thing is, Evans was strong throughout the race, and much more attentive than Schleck. In the opening stage he was the only one able to stick with Gilbert and they gained a number of seconds on everyone. In all those puncheur stages, he was right up front. A big moment in that years tour was a descent off a cat 2 climb where Evans and several other GC men were able to distance Schleck and gain around a minute. Schleck may have taken things for granted, thinking that he would be able to easily distance Evans in the mountains in week 2 and 3. The stage to Galibier, when he attacked on the Izoard was a big opportunity. He was almost 4:30 ahead of Evans and the other GC men at one point, but the final climb to the Galibier he lost half of that advantage and that in hindsight lost him the Tour that year. Having said that, had he not lost time on that cat 2 descent perhaps he wouldn't have attacked so far out on stage 18, but the GC men would have gone with him had he been closer on GC. He actually rode an ok last TT, but with less than a minute over Evans...that was always going to be a tough ask. Also on stage 19 to Alpe d'Huez, he and Contador attacked early, but Evans and the rest reeled Schleck in while Contador duked it out with Rolland, who ended up winning the stage. Schleck ended up gaining no time on Evans that day so that was significant as well. Apart from the last two MTN stages, Schleck was largely too passive that tour.

 

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The Schleck TT is really a terrible comparison as he'd been in 60km and 90km longe range attacks the 2 days before.

Which was his own fault after not doing enough attacking in the first two thirds of the race. The thing about having both brothers on the podium cost him because if Frank totally sacrificed himself it would have put much more pressure on Evans. But similar to Dumoulin Evans did defend very well in the mountains and was strong in the third week as the TT showed.

Another thing is, Evans was strong throughout the race, and much more attentive than Schleck. In the opening stage he was the only one able to stick with Gilbert and they gained a number of seconds on everyone. In all those puncheur stages, he was right up front. A big moment in that years tour was a descent off a cat 2 climb where Evans and several other GC men were able to distance Schleck and gain around a minute. Schleck may have taken things for granted, thinking that he would be able to easily distance Evans in the mountains in week 2 and 3. The stage to Galibier, when he attacked on the Izoard was a big opportunity. He was almost 4:30 ahead of Evans and the other GC men at one point, but the final climb to the Galibier he lost half of that advantage and that in hindsight lost him the Tour that year. Having said that, had he not lost time on that cat 2 descent perhaps he wouldn't have attacked so far out on stage 18, but the GC men would have gone with him had he been closer on GC. He actually rode an ok last TT, but with less than a minute over Evans...that was always going to be a tough ask. Also on stage 19 to Alpe d'Huez, he and Contador attacked early, but Evans and the rest reeled Schleck in while Contador duked it out with Rolland, who ended up winning the stage. Schleck ended up gaining no time on Evans that day so that was significant as well. Apart from the last two MTN stages, Schleck was largely too passive that tour.

Schleck admitted that he wasn't going to take risks on the descent to Gap as he said it was dangerous but someone forgot to tell Contador, Sanchez and Evans. That stage cost Schleck big, and descending was one of Andy's weaknesses probably more so than the TT. Evans was never further back than fourth in the entire race so he was incredibly consistent as was his whole season leading up to the Tour.