But I believe it was reconstructed as in the image below. Don't think a peloton will go through there. Maybe a MTT, but I don't put my hopes high.
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But I believe it was reconstructed as in the image below. Don't think a peloton will go through there. Maybe a MTT, but I don't put my hopes high.
I rode the Marmolarda at the end of August, unfortunately there is no way a pro bike race will ever go through the Serrai di Sottoguda again, it's literally a wooden footbridge.But I believe it was reconstructed as in the image below. Don't think a peloton will go through there. Maybe a MTT, but I don't put my hopes high.
Will be like how it was in the 90's.
Yes it looks like the image. But steel structure under.But I believe it was reconstructed as in the image below. Don't think a peloton will go through there. Maybe a MTT, but I don't put my hopes high.
No peloton can go there but it's stiff I would say it should have a capacity of at least 200- 300kg/m².
Motos schmotos... Have some soigneurs stationed on foot, and film the peloton passing through using drones and a couple of stationary cameras. Just make sure the peloton is drawn out when it gets there.
Well, they'll need to tell some people, and I don't think those people would be able to keep everything 100% secret.
If a lot of teams suddenly start training on the same climb... it might be a hint.
I like a lot of it, the Grappa stage is gonna be wasted though with this final climb. I think the bormio stage could work with the steep eastern side but I think the number of stages where the final hard climb is far from the finish is a big risk. Like, I always wanted to see Tze Core into Joux but with another 17km to go after that this might just be a snoozefest. With the same final climb in the Grappa stage as 2017 plus maybe a finish on Col de Joux itself or something like that, it would look extremely great.
I think this Giro route is shaping up depending on racing. so that everybody loves the route if the racing is great and everybody hates it if the racing is bad.
Stage 19 is great but might be wasted because of Finestre being the next day. I like the pacing of the big MTF, Bormio stage and (I guess) flat stage 18 after that. Although I think that Bormio stage might be a waste by the way it looks without a hard Mortirolo.
Personally I think this is high risk-high reward kind of route and doesn't guarantee anything but it has the potential for a lot of great stages depending on GC situation throughout the race.
I like that risk so I praise the route.
Stage 19 is great but might be wasted because of Finestre being the next day. I like the pacing of the big MTF, Bormio stage and (I guess) flat stage 18 after that. Although I think that Bormio stage might be a waste by the way it looks without a hard Mortirolo.
Personally I think this is high risk-high reward kind of route and doesn't guarantee anything but it has the potential for a lot of great stages depending on GC situation throughout the race.
I like that risk so I praise the route.
Pardon my ignorance and slightly off topic re this year’s route but is there a reason Sampyere or Fauneria have been ignored for 20 years. Is it to do with the roads?
A rerun of Stage 18 from 2003 would not go amiss
A rerun of Stage 18 from 2003 would not go amiss
Afaik both climbs have very sketchy descents and Vegni isn't the guy to take that risk, without massive sponsors in the area
I think people on here will agree that the 2012 Giro was one of, if not the worst edition of the race. But the route itself actually had some awesomely designed stages, which would be praised on this forum, but were passively raced.
it was a great edition, pink jersey changed a few times and we had that last TT in Milan when Ryder got the win.
For the southern descent of Fauniera, is the problem mostly the state of the road near the top or the nature of the descent the two places where cars can only go one way? I can see why it might be complicated with cars, but other than that it looks fine.
yeah I think the width of the road is the main problem there. There are also quite a few dangerous sections that would need concrete safety measures, and since we are talking about a very long descent, I can imagine the costs would be high.
I'm sure that none of that would be a dealbreaker with the right offer, but as I said there are no sponsors in the area and I doubt the villages there can pay enough.
I hope that when the deal with Rome is finished, Torino will pay for the Giro to finish there and that the penultimate stage will be in southern Piemonte (like in 2016, but with no visit to France). That should be a way to channel some funds in that direction, and then we might not have such a long drought afterwards again.
Do you think it was the city of Cuneo only who bid for a Fauniera stage a few years ago?
Do you think it was the city of Cuneo only who bid for a Fauniera stage a few years ago?
The rumoured route for next year is probably the best since 2019.
I don't understand the comment, so fare rumours show a much better route than have been in years.
Don't get me wrong, 2019 had some fantasticly designed mountain stages, by my God the first week was tragic.
The "ahahahah era" is infecting a lot of people.
It is definitely better than recent years but its a long way from the 2015 and 2016 routes. For me stages 15,16, and 17 look like big missed opportunities compared to earlier rumours. If they were able to have Giau, Druscie as originally planned along with a proper mortirolo stage then this would be an all timer as the first 2 weeks look like they should be action packed while not overly favouring climbers.
Well the final details will decide if it's normal, good or even a great route. I like routes were the people in charge offer possibilities to attack from far and take some risk that the stage will disappoint in the end. We seems to get quite some of those stages indeed. One major HC finish on the wrong spot in the route however can ruin those stages completely or the wrong order of stages. So yeah, a lot depends in that case on which side of the mortirolo they do (monno or monno via recta Contador). And if they put already something before Tonale. Or that they choose to make the stage before the Mortirolo the queenstage and the Mortirolo stage only a "soft" one.
People here already whining that it's horrible they skip the gavia are a bit to quick in their conclusion. If indeed we only get Tonale and normal Mortirolo from Monno, yes, very disappointing. But with the Contador variant I see lot's of possibilities for a very long final in that stage.
People here already whining that it's horrible they skip the gavia are a bit to quick in their conclusion. If indeed we only get Tonale and normal Mortirolo from Monno, yes, very disappointing. But with the Contador variant I see lot's of possibilities for a very long final in that stage.
My problem is that it'll be the third time in a row they are using the Mortirolo from the wrong side.
Pradaccio is nothing more than a publicity stunt that will only serve to dissapoint fans on what would normally be a fine medium mountain stage. Grappa stage looks really bad especially as it would supposedly be replacing a stage around cortina which would probably be a lot better, even with foza it wasn't great but with enego it stinks.
I'm convinced a good stage to bormio via the mortirolo exists, the valley road is deceptively hard (20km @2.5%) although not as hard as Aprica (13km @ 4%) so for it to work the stage would need to be really tough like >200km and >5000m+, it would need to take in a very difficult side of the mortirolo like Guspessa, Mazzo, or Recta Contador and it can't have an unnecesary 10km over Le Motte. None of these requirements seem to be matched in the rumoured route so my expectations are low.
I do really like the sound of the first 2 weeks and the final 2 mountain stages, and while they aren't perfect even the stages I have criticised here offer some opportunities for good racing even if they aren't perfect. So I'm still mostly positive on the route but this is a thread about routes and route design so I think it is fair we nitpick especially given the incredible roads Italy has to offer.
I've always thought the should have done that stage in reverse going, Rolle-Manghen-Brocon(via Valmalene) before the final 2 climbs
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