With Vegni its recent routes, him giving in to bs from riders and Adam Hansen and the fact that he has the best opportunity out of any man in the world to make exciting stages. And he mostly fails which is not good. His race has gone to shite IMO
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We've had some really big mountain stage designs with Vegni even recently, they've largely either gotten partially neutralized, or misplaced in the race. But still he throws in the 5500m desnivel stages consistently.
But the Giro just backloads way too heavily
But are 5500 desnivel stages good just because they are 5500 desnivel stages? Not necessarily. His use of Mortirolo is straight up malpractice
It has gone down within 3 years really. Because the 2020 Giro d'Italia still was a nicely designed race.
Ever since each edition has become worse and worse.
The 2020 Giro route is completely overatted IMO. Yes it had some greatly designed stages like Selvio but it was awfully backloaded. Week 2 other than the Tortoreto stage it wasn't great. There was also some very poor stage placement, with a fabulously designed medium mountain stage in Friuli which was wasted as it came directly before two high mountain stages.
To be honest I really like the variety that 2023 route offered. There were downhill finishes, big climb/small climb combo, decent MTF's and a great stage 20. Ob top of that we've had GC-relevant stages every week.
It lacked the TT kilometres and some stages could've been designed better but the Toyr routes rarely get better than that.
Honestly, I don't have any inside info so my guess is as good as your.
I imagine RCS visiting it's sponsors and Eurosport to collect some money in order to get the biggest names who would otherwise just focus on Le Tour.
Doubt they did that to get Roglic or Evenepoel, it just happened fitted their schedule.
It got the most important things right, and it would have been even better with the original route. 49 km out of 65 km of ITT was before the biggest mountain stages, the first of which was the only hard MTF of the race. Etna on day three was from the best side yet and delivered maximally. The two big mountain stages that favoured long-range action were the last two of the race, and both of them were individually very nicely done. It had a grand total of two simple, boring flat stages (and one of the two had echelons).
It wasn't even particularly back-loaded for a Giro, but I agree that simply postponing the last rest day one day would have been good. It could have been even better, and it could easily have been made harder. But measured against other actual routes, it was good.
They paid for Evenepoel. Dunno about Rogla.
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I disagree personally, the original route was even worse, as far as I remember the first weekend stages (8 and 9) would've been a flat 200+ flat stage to Brindisi followed by a meh stage to Vieste, hardly entertaing stuff for a Saturday and Sunday. The stage to Madonna di Campiglio would have been ok if they did the Passo Daone like 2015, but regardless given what was to come the next day nobody would've been willing to attack far out anyway.
Sorry, I meant original as of the start of the race. I had forgotten that Hungary was originally planned for 2020.
My personal request for the Giro would be as many of these combos as possible in ranked order:
1. Finestre - Sestriere
2. Mortirolo - Aprica
3. Stelvio - Torre di Fraele
4. Fedaia - Pordoi (MTF)/Fedaia - Sella - Selva
5. Stelvio - Bormio 2000/Stelvio - Solda/Gavia - Bormio 2000
6. Giau - Falzarego/Col Druscie
7. San Pellegrino in Alpe - Abetone.
1. Finestre - Sestriere
2. Mortirolo - Aprica
3. Stelvio - Torre di Fraele
4. Fedaia - Pordoi (MTF)/Fedaia - Sella - Selva
5. Stelvio - Bormio 2000/Stelvio - Solda/Gavia - Bormio 2000
6. Giau - Falzarego/Col Druscie
7. San Pellegrino in Alpe - Abetone.
I hope that the next time we'll see Stelvio, it will be with an uphill finish to Santa Caterina or all the way up to the top of Gavia.
If they need to have a stage start from Livigno after this year's debacle, they might as well use the same beginning to the stage:
ridewithgps.com
If they need to have a stage start from Livigno after this year's debacle, they might as well use the same beginning to the stage:
Livigno > Santa Caterina di Valfurva
143.0 km, +4230 m. Bike ride in Comune di Livigno, Lombardia
ridewithgps.com
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Like every year I will hope for the Penser Joch-Jaufenpass combo, but I am not sure I will see it in my lifetime
I'd love to see a Fedaia/ Pordoi combo, such a classic stage finish that hasn't been done for years.
Jaufenpass - Passo Rombo - Rettenbachferner (I know, altitude makes it unlikely, but Hochsölden would be doable)...
Fauniera/Esischie - Sampeyre - Pontechianale
Manghen - Pampeago
San Marco - Foppolo
Würzjoch - Kronplatz
San Valentino Brentonico - Polsa
Croce Domini - Tremalzo
I'm Italian (Piedmont) and I'd be able to point on a map just the bolded ones. shame on me
Double Finestre madness? Time to collectively get our hopes up to unreasonable levels.
That would be a-okay! The best climb and combo of climbs (Finestre-Sestriere) in the cycling world.
I would’ve preferred a Giro stage with two times Finestre and then finish in Sestriere
I think what the news told is both Giro and Tour may use Finestre.I would’ve preferred a Giro stage with two times Finestre and then finish in Sestriere
A single stage in GT with 2×Finestre? No way
Col Drusciè!
My only fear is that they'll want to go through Cortina, so that it'll be Tre Croce > Cortina > Col Drusciè rather than Giau > Col Drusciè.
It could be the last stage in the second week or the first in the third:
Udine > Cortina d'Ampezzo (Col Drusciè)
182.0 km, +4347 m. Bike ride in Passons, Friuli-Venezia Giulia
ridewithgps.com
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