Giro d'Italia Giro d'Italia 2026, Stage 10: Viareggio – Massa, 42.0k (ITT)

[AnotherArmChair]

Beloki is a chip off the old Belok

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I looks like Jonas is ill to me ...that TT was not good by his standards
I do think he is riding conservatively as he only has Pogacar on his mind but still that TT result would say he is not well

Now maybe the time to test him ..Ineos and Decathlon and Bora (if recovered ) should try

 

[Netserk]

Funny about the normal level Vingegaard. We have seen him in the past be much better on flat time trials, but I guess its the norm now? Should feel lucky about this year's Tour I guess

his best flat tt was copenhagen in 22

not many ridden that were completely flat

 

[Red Rick]

his best flat tt was copenhagen in 22

not many ridden that were completely flat

Vuelta 2023 and Dauphine 2022 probably the flattest ones that were at least medium length, in both he performed moderately better than this one, but he convincingly lost both to Roglic.

 

[jotafap]

I looks like Jonas is ill to me ...that TT was not good by his standards
I do think he is riding conservatively as he only has Pogacar on his mind but still that TT result would say he is not well

Now maybe the time to test him ..Ineos and Decathlon and Bora (if recovered ) should try

Maybe, but i don't find his time strange. Last year his flat ITT in the Tour was pretty weak, and his form here (and probably itt preparation) should be clearly worse.

Oh, i was praying for Eulalio to maintain the rosa. Let's go! I think he can maintain it until stage 14.

 

[proffate]

Yeah, so the main difference is absolute elevation vs local vertical relief. So the highest mountain in the world (Everest) vs the tallest mountain face (Dhaulagiri W or Nanga Parbat S). We have one word for all of those cases in Polish.

But the difference is not for humans vs buildings. Both would be tall in English. But perhaps you are confused by the fact that a human or building does have a "height". High describes elevation, tall describes height.

It seems like the language is lacking something if these two cases can't be easily distinguished. That said "tallest mountain face" is not a technical definition that I am aware of. Closest thing is prominence, but according to the definition of that word, Everest wins that category too.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

But the difference is not for humans vs buildings. Both would be tall in English.

It seems like the language is lacking something if these two cases can't be easily distinguished. That said "tallest mountain face" is not a technical definition that I am aware of. Closest thing is prominence, but according to the definition of that word, Everest wins that category too.

No, prominence is completely different. It's the value of the smallest terrain drop (to so called key col) after which there's terrain rise to some higher mountain (if any). You can define face size by some objective criteria i.e. the tallest slope with average angle > 45 degrees (which usually covers most cases of basecamp to steep peak slopes) or some more severe criterion (i.e. 60-70 degrees minimum for typical walls). For the former criterion mountains like Dhaulagiri and Nanga Parbat eat Everest for breakfast. I saw 4.5 km tall Dhaulagiri west face from up close: quite a monster!

Anyway, it's offtopic so I'll end it now.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Frankly It is absolutely embarassing how bad todays climber GC podium finishers are in flat TTs.

 

[Unchained]

So buildings get high on bricks?

Usually in American English ..building is commonly used as a noun and a verb..look at that big office building..or..look at those construction workers building that house..in cycling you could use it in something like.. Remco is building up for a huge disappointment in the mountains of France.. something like that..

 

[KZD]

One of the most dominant TT performances, I've seen from Ganna, only Remco at his best could have beat him today. Great day for Netcompany overall with Arensman getting second and clearly the best of the GC riders.

Vingegaard with a poor performance, flat TTs were never his cup of tea but he seems to have regressed a bit in this sort of efforts. Still with Gall sucking at TTs, he significantly increases the gap for the only rider that was close to him in the mountains.

Fantastic day for Eulálio keeping the pink jersey. Every day that passes he needs to be taken more seriously.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

his best flat tt was copenhagen in 22

And rainy and pretty much technical.

Was remarkable to witness 2023 Jonas fly fearless through the wet corners, some with cobbles, gaining time on every corner. Remember his effort at that ITT as the one on the start list with the most consistent fluency without the slightest fear.

So still quite different to the ITT of today.

 

[Tim Cahill]

It's true what they say about the passing of time, one day you're ***-of-the-walk, riding around, looking at the scenery, beating everyone easily on big mountain stages, ready to start saving energy for the tour. The next you're a feather duster, getting spooged on by a 47 year old David De La Cruz in a time trial, putting 2 seconds into Michael Storer whilst your fans claim that you lost minutes on purpose, so someone who lost the Volta a Portugal to Colin Stussi can save you from doing ceremonial duties in a Giro where your main rivals are a sick child and an Austrian who rides a bike like three drunk basketball players stacked ontop of each other trying to ride a unicycle on an ice rink.

 

[SorelyBoy]

Yeah, right

Booo!

 

[Boehmand]

No I listened to the English and Spanish versions.. Vingegaard loosely stated that he sucks on flat longer TT..I concluded because he was one of 6 interviews I listened to that most riders considered the 40+ kilometers to be pretty long. He generally said that he feels pretty good despite doing something he isn't good at..there might have been more..feel free to elaborate..
Felix Gall had almost the same interview.. To summarize it was a miserable experience.. @45-50+ of torture.

You were trying to make the case that he thought he rode a "terrible" TT, when that was not at all what he said - if you listened beyond that first sentence.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Is this the greatest gap between one and two in a sub 50 minutes GT TT ever?

 

[Cookster15]

Great to see Ganna back to his best. Most dominant TT since Indurain’s Luxembourg effort in the 1992 TdF? The time gaps certainly remind me of that day even if that was 60km.

As for the rest, Vingegaard maybe not suited to such a flat course but he would have expected to be faster than Ben O’Conner who did well. Hindley put in a better effort after his sub par climbing so far. Maybe it was just a tummy bug?

 

[search]

I mean Gall deserves more slander for being on career high form and and getting destroyed by a sick Hindley and Pellizzari by some margin.

I honestly think it was decent time trial from Gall. Before the stage, there was some talk that him staying within 2 minutes would be a great result, and in the end he lost 2:28 to the best GC rider, 1:40 or less to every other.

 

[Netserk]

and in the end he lost 2:28 to the best GC rider, 1:40 or less to every other.

gee catching strays

 

[Tim Cahill]

Is this the greatest gap between one and two in a sub 50 minutes GT TT ever?

Second fastest >40km in history I think.

Behind Brandon Rivera the Colombian Cancellara.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Second fastest >40km in history I think.

Behind Brandon Rivera the Colombian Cancellara.

Ganna is the Italian Riv(i)era.

 

[Pozzovivo]

Frankly It is absolutely embarassing how bad todays climber GC podium finishers are in flat TTs.

Bring back the complete GC riders of the 20teens! Bardet, Pinot, Pozzovivo, Aru, Landa, Quintana, and Esteban Chavez would have it killed today.

 

[Lequack]

Man if Paul Seixas went to the Giro he would be leading Vinge by 1 or 2 minutes at least. Why didn't they send him in the form he was in?

 

[Pozzovivo]

Man if Paul Seixas went to the Giro he would be leading Vinge by 1 or 2 minutes at least. Why didn't they send him in the form he was in?

Because he's about to do the same to the mighty Pog.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Man if Paul Seixas went to the Giro he would be leading Vinge by 1 or 2 minutes at least. Why didn't they send him in the form he was in?

Well allegedly you will be stronger in the Tour nowadays if you do the Giro beforehand and your first GT will always improve your level as well, so it looks like a huge mistake indeed.

He should also have done the Pune Grand Tour. Being up against Li Ning Stars, Roojai Insurance and Terengganu would have prepared him perfectly for the battle against UAE, Visma and BORA.

 

[GroupDK]

Wonder about the motivation from Vingegaard's perspective on today's stage,..
A stagewin, would never be in the cards against a speed phenomenon like Ganna on such a flat long ITT with very little technical aspect.
Even from the start, he looked like his mindset was to not take any chances, and sat up long before any corners.

Its far from the ideal playing field for him to gain time, - primarily the mountainous stages, where only Gall sofar been able to counter..
Would Vingegaard really want to land his first Maglia Rosa on a power stage like this, and gain the GC lead, with all the formality that comes with it, I doubt it
In interviews, it tends to be something that GC leaders often mention as a con.
Most riders, would jump to take that lead, and not think twice, as that is what it's all about, team-promotion, spotlight etc, but riders of Vingegaard & Pogacar caliber - likely also speculate in these things, as they have a curriculum that speaks for itself.

If Vingegaard feels that he got the momentum, that he can take a stagewin at will, not least in the coming days, and lands first Maglia Rosa there, could be the cherry on top - that scenario would likely suit Visma better, and not on a flat ITT like today
Think Visma is pretty fond of how things are.

ON todays ITT-power stage, that is literally ideal for Ganna (83kg 193cm) A tiny dude like Vingegaard (58kg 174cm) simply out of his league.
Only Evenepoel (63kg 171cm) got the class to keep such momentum on a long flat ITT like this.. Evenepoel is outstanding in these events