Teams & Riders Giulio Pellizzari: Super Flop

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Unterlenkerfahrend

Unterlenkerfahrend

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Right decision trying to follow today. Yeah, he blew himself up but in windy conditions like that draft is important so it can be worth gambling to overextend in order to hope the quicker rider (in his case Vingegaard) will slow down eventually.
Yeah, he lost a minute to Gall but he can get that back in the TT and Bora have 2 of the 4 best guys here so some room to play and risk stuff.
 
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Unterlenkerfahrend said:
Right decision trying to follow today. Yeah, he blew himself up but in windy conditions like that draft is important so it can be worth gambling to overextend in order to hope the quicker rider (in his case Vingegaard) will slow down eventually.
Yeah, he lost a minute to Gall but he can get that back in the TT and Bora have 2 of the 4 best guys here so some room to play and risk stuff.
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Also my thought. First climb you try to follow as long as you can. You never know how long it will last if you never try. Thought he would lose more time when Gall passed him but still finished 4th. Next mountains he’ll probably also start to pace himself. And with Gall close to Vingo he can let him do the work and focus on 2nd spot for GC.
 
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More proof this sport is hard as hell and linear progression doesn't exist uniformly.

Faserr said:
I think he is sick or getting sick. Normally he doesn't loose so much form from stage to stage.
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Riding GT's sans sickness (or at least without losing too much time when the rider is under the weather) is a skillset in and of itself.
 
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Netserk said:
paying the price for blockhaus
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Perhaps, but it's quite the collapse. He seemed like he recovered OK on Blockhaus itself, it feels like illness maybe more likely. From 3rd best up Blockhaus (given the poor tactics) to almost getting dropped on a Cat 3.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Brullnux said:
Perhaps, but it's quite the collapse. He seemed like he recovered OK on Blockhaus itself, it feels like illness maybe more likely. From 3rd best up Blockhaus (given the poor tactics) to almost getting dropped on a Cat 3.
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In the end rather normal development. I don't know on why suddenly such young riders are expected to win GTs. First of all they don't have experience for that.
 
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Brullnux

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CyclistAbi said:
In the end rather normal development. I don't know on why suddenly such young riders are expected to win GTs. First of all they don't have experience for that.
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I don't think anybody expected him to win. But his level on Blockhaus was probably the best I've seen him other than that Giro stage he dropped Carapaz. Did he really go so far into the red that he needs a rest day to recuperate? Or is he ill? I don't think it's a sign of declining form in a normal sense
 
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CyclistAbi

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Berniece said:
Or, here’s an idea, answer my question… what do YOU expect Pellizarri should do
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Learn the craft and support Jai, maybe a stage win. Team admitted they couldn't have said no, to Giulio, rather seen him burn. What is better approach in the end, it depends, hopefully there is some goal behind it all. Not just lack of any much needed hierarchy.

Brullnux said:
I don't think anybody expected him to win. But his level on Blockhaus was probably the best I've seen him other than that Giro stage he dropped Carapaz. Did he really go so far into the red that he needs a rest day to recuperate? Or is he ill? I don't think it's a sign of declining form in a normal sense
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It's likely a combination. A bit of fatigue and illness and everything. Riding too close to the sun likely a catalyst.
 
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They are obviously doing the most sensible thing and let them both ride their own races. I dont know why you continiously are that preoccupied with who the captain is in a tradiotional sense. It depends on your legs, and they were both lacking them today.
 
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CyclistAbi

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Ineos and Lidl-Trek aren't doing it like that. If we look at the teams on where their designated leaders struggled a bit already. They are both keeping the hierarchy. Team saying we don't basically care, you the riders figure it out. That won't get you far in stage racing on the highest level.

But anyway, RBH will try it out at both Giro and the Tour, two leaders each racing for himself. And lets see on where that gets them.
 
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Brullnux

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CyclistAbi said:
Ineos and Lidl-Trek aren't doing it like that. If we look at the teams on where their designated leaders struggled a bit already. They are both keeping the hierarchy. Team saying we don't basically care, you the riders figure it out. That won't get you far in stage racing on the highest level.

But anyway, RBH will try it out at both Giro and the Tour, two leaders each racing for himself. And lets see on where that gets them.
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I am not sure there are many lessons to take from either Lidl or Ineos this Giro.

I agree in a general sense that Bora have stacked up way too many B Tier GC hopes (a pointless amount) and usually riding GC co-leaders doesn't make much sense. But given that the best either Pellizzari or Hindley can do is a podium, they should in theory both have the legs for 3rd, and there wasn't much pre-race to separate them (or in 2025 performances), this is fine. It's not like any of the competitors have particularly good climbing domestiques. This is more or less the least harmful way of doing it, and making one ride for the other would be worse for the team given the profile of riders they've brought together.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
So does Giulio now ride for Jai or will RBH keep on going with their approach, on where forget it.
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Hard to tell if GP is blown, sick or both. RBH will know after the TT if they have any GC podium chances. It's still open.
 
SafeBet

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He already looked troubled on Capodarco yesterday but luckily for him nobody pushed the pace until the final km.
Today was very likely his worst climbing performance since joining Red Bull.
I think he's paying the prices of going too deep on Blockhaus and getting sick might be a consequence.

If he recovers, he still has a shot at the podium but he could be 3 minutes down on Arensman after the TT.
 
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Berniece said:
Same approach, gap is not big enough. Also not sure what Pellizzari can do for Hindley when Visma and Decathlon are pacing…
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It depends on the TT and 42 km flat does not favor Jai. If Pellizzari is just bad and doesn't perform, then maybe Hindley will not lose time to him. As Jai is not a good tter, especially on a course like that.
 
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