[Green Edge] Shayne Bannan, Gerry Ryan and an Aussie Pro Team for 2012?

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Jun 16, 2009
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Tuarts said:
**** off. How about you read for a change...and actually digest what people are season. Apart from Evans, in 2010 who did BMC have that did anything in a classic? No one, none of those you mentioned got any result so I think its a fair comparison. If they will get more wins because of having a sprinting team then they are surely great at sprinting? A fine example. Actually, you know what, I'm sick or trying to have discussions with you, not worth the time, I'm joining your ignore fan club. :rolleyes:
At least I won't have to read your condescending bull**** that you post. Anyway, I highly doubt there is an ignore fanclub by the amount of people who continually respond to my posts. Idiot.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
They have Goss who is a quality sprinter but I still don't think he is up there with Farrar, Greipel, Cav or Kittel in speed. Goss is clearly their best sprinter in a stacked sprinter team then you will struggle as a team. .
The way I see road sprinters there seems to be two distinctive types. The real dynamic sprinters in the mold of Robbie McEwan and Cavendish who have that huge power finish on generally flatter type finishes....although the really good ones can win on the harder sprints as well. Then the more aerobic wind up sprinters in the mold of O'Grady, Friere and Hushovd who probably prefer the harder type finishes and tend to move to more endurance type one day riders as they get older. Will actually be interesting to see if Hushovd moves to the Hincapie/O'Grady type role for Evans this year after he has a tilt at the early classics...hmmm.

Not sure if others agree with that but I see Goss being in the second category, whereas I see the others mentioned like Farrar, Greipel and Kittel in the first category. I don't know enough about the other GE sprinters but they may develop Docker and Howard as dynamic sprinters and of course there will be a couple of races left in the old boy, hope McEwan can take a couple of victories in his last half season of racing. Not only would it be good to see for Aussie supporters but it would also be a huge buzz for the young sprinters from GE.
 
Mar 6, 2011
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Wilba60 said:
The way I see road sprinters there seems to be two distinctive types. The real dynamic sprinters in the mold of Robbie McEwan and Cavendish who have that huge power finish on generally flatter type finishes....although the really good ones can win on the harder sprints as well. Then the more aerobic wind up sprinters in the mold of O'Grady, Friere and Hushovd who probably prefer the harder type finishes and tend to move to more endurance type one day riders as they get older. Will actually be interesting to see if Hushovd moves to the Hincapie/O'Grady type role for Evans this year after he has a tilt at the early classics...hmmm.

Not sure if others agree with that but I see Goss being in the second category, whereas I see the others mentioned like Farrar, Greipel and Kittel in the first category. I don't know enough about the other GE sprinters but they may develop Docker and Howard as dynamic sprinters and of course there will be a couple of races left in the old boy, hope McEwan can take a couple of victories in his last half season of racing. Not only would it be good to see for Aussie supporters but it would also be a huge buzz for the young sprinters from GE.
I know its a but offtopic but I've been very unimpressed with Farrar for a while now(even with what he's dealt with this year). I would definately rate Goss and Griepel ahead of him and even though its only his 1st year. I mean EBH and Thor I featured more in the sprints this year in my mind he's in danger of falling into the 2nd tier category with them rojas, feillu and TGAK;). I certainly see Goss as Cavs biggest threat for green nxt year.
 
Apr 9, 2011
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Midnightfright said:
I know its a but offtopic but I've been very unimpressed with Farrar for a while now(even with what he's dealt with this year). I would definately rate Goss and Griepel ahead of him and even though its only his 1st year. I mean EBH and Thor I featured more in the sprints this year in my mind he's in danger of falling into the 2nd tier category with them rojas, feillu and TGAK;). I certainly see Goss as Cavs biggest threat for green nxt year.
I also think he is confused about what type of rider he is - ie a sprinter or a classic guy who can sprint - which where he started
 
Jun 16, 2009
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Interesting little comment about Evans:


“The Aussie federation wants to have me there (London). If my country wants me, I’ll certainly be there. With an Australian professional team coming into the mix, hopefully (there’s) no political problems.”


Interesting that political problems do concern him regarding GreenEdge and Cycling Australia.
 
Aug 26, 2010
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What does everyone think that Bobridge should do in regards to his targets/race schedule for next year? The olympics will most likely be a goal but with a (6.1km) prologue in the tour, a distance where along with Wiggo + Martin, Bobridge is the fastest in the world, would it be worth it (possible) to ride 10 days (or so) of the tour at the risk of comprimising his performance at the olympics?

Alternatively, he could ride the Giro where i think the prologue there is 8.7km he would have a good shot at pink as well as having much more time to recover and specifically prepare for the olympics.

If it were me i'd have him ride until the first rest day in the tour and target that prologue with everything he's got. Here's why:
-Training for the prologue would likely be effective prep for team pursuit too
-As claim to the fastest man over 4km, and Wiggo probably concentrated on training for longer efforts, he could have a slight advantage over such a distance.
- Even the possibility of a Yellow jersy for jack and greenedge would be an enormous feat - and the publicity would be huge
- Whilst riding 21 days would be ideal for the team, Bobridge if not in yellow, could still do a hell of a lot of work bringing breaks back which will be a huge function of GE over the first week.
-There are 2 time trials in the first 10 days and 8 non mountain stages
 
Apr 9, 2011
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Sydney21 said:
What does everyone think that Bobridge should do in regards to his targets/race schedule for next year? The olympics will most likely be a goal but with a (6.1km) prologue in the tour, a distance where along with Wiggo + Martin, Bobridge is the fastest in the world, would it be worth it (possible) to ride 10 days (or so) of the tour at the risk of comprimising his performance at the olympics?

Alternatively, he could ride the Giro where i think the prologue there is 8.7km he would have a good shot at pink as well as having much more time to recover and specifically prepare for the olympics.

If it were me i'd have him ride until the first rest day in the tour and target that prologue with everything he's got. Here's why:
-Training for the prologue would likely be effective prep for team pursuit too
-As claim to the fastest man over 4km, and Wiggo probably concentrated on training for longer efforts, he could have a slight advantage over such a distance.
- Even the possibility of a Yellow jersy for jack and greenedge would be an enormous feat - and the publicity would be huge
- Whilst riding 21 days would be ideal for the team, Bobridge if not in yellow, could still do a hell of a lot of work bringing breaks back which will be a huge function of GE over the first week.
-There are 2 time trials in the first 10 days and 8 non mountain stages
Not go near the Tour maybe ride

TDU
T-A
Giro

Team Pursuit track training

rest come back for end of season one day races - China - sun tour
 
Aug 26, 2010
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42x16ss said:
Much more realistic - he's still too young for the Tour. Get him to finish the Giro first.
I'm not proposing he ride the whole tour, just til the first rest day perhaps. Usually i'd be against entering a young rider into the tour without the aim of finishing but in an olympic year, for the purpose of riding for olympic gold it doesn't bother me. I would say Thomas should do the same but with both Wiggo and Cav, Sky need 9 riders all tour.

He is 22 which is young but as a specialist flatlander, despite the high pace the first week will be ridden at, it certainly won't burn him out.

The parcours for the first 10 days really arent too challenging, there are two time trials, and the potential to have a good shot at a yellow jersey. For me that lure is extroadinary but I imagine that some may contest my opinion that a yellow jersey > olympics team pursuit gold. Although I still believe both are highly achievable even if yellow would be a bit of a long shot having to beat wiggo, fabian und der panzerwagon.
 
Sydney21 said:
What does everyone think that Bobridge should do in regards to his targets/race schedule for next year? The olympics will most likely be a goal but with a (6.1km) prologue in the tour, a distance where along with Wiggo + Martin, Bobridge is the fastest in the world, would it be worth it (possible) to ride 10 days (or so) of the tour at the risk of comprimising his performance at the olympics?

Alternatively, he could ride the Giro where i think the prologue there is 8.7km he would have a good shot at pink as well as having much more time to recover and specifically prepare for the olympics.

If it were me i'd have him ride until the first rest day in the tour and target that prologue with everything he's got. Here's why:
-Training for the prologue would likely be effective prep for team pursuit too
-As claim to the fastest man over 4km, and Wiggo probably concentrated on training for longer efforts, he could have a slight advantage over such a distance.
- Even the possibility of a Yellow jersy for jack and greenedge would be an enormous feat - and the publicity would be huge
- Whilst riding 21 days would be ideal for the team, Bobridge if not in yellow, could still do a hell of a lot of work bringing breaks back which will be a huge function of GE over the first week.
-There are 2 time trials in the first 10 days and 8 non mountain stages
Road Nationals/TdU
Track Nationals
Qatar/Oman
Track Worlds
Olympics
Vuelta
Road Worlds
 
Jul 26, 2011
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Surely it's better for team morale to give a TdF spot to someone who can be useful for the whole 3 weeks?
 
Oct 7, 2010
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With the Geox team exiting, is there any benefit to Greenedge ?
Seems like all the spots have been filled, except 2 spots for the U23 development riders.
Does the Geox team have any secondary sponsors that GE could pick up ?
I am sure that there would be some support personnel scrambling to get a job for 2012.
 
Reghere said:
With the Geox team exiting, is there any benefit to Greenedge ?
Seems like all the spots have been filled, except 2 spots for the U23 development riders.
Does the Geox team have any secondary sponsors that GE could pick up ?
I am sure that there would be some support personnel scrambling to get a job for 2012.
No, no real benefit. GE shouldn't touch that mess with a 10 foot pole.
 
Apr 8, 2009
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pastronef said:
does someone know when the official launch will take place?
and is a winter european training camp planned?
official launch will be at the tour down under Jan 17.
Their european base be the same as the AIS one in italy if i can remember correct.
 
Jun 22, 2009
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Libertine Seguros said:
And knowing GreenEdge the only riders on Geox that are of any interest to them would be Marko Kump and Matteo Pelucchi.
kump looked so promising a couple years ago.

Now after a quiet year, and this pretty dismal situation his career looks somewhat less promising. I hope he can find a decent team.

Pelucci too. Both probably signed for the wrong team in reality.
 
luckyboy said:
They only have 2 spots left anyway, don't they?
Yup, assuming that Kruopis wasn't lying when he was quoted as saying he'll be with GreenEdge next year. There's still some doubt over whether or not Tekle will count as a neo-pro next year (might be too old). If he doesn't count then the final two spots have to be filled with neo-pro's. Hepburn and Durbridge most likely.
 
the_kman said:
official launch will be at the tour down under Jan 17.Their european base be the same as the AIS one in italy if i can remember correct.
official launch: a bit late? usually the teams launch happen before the first race
I mean, when will the team kit and riders be officially presented?

european base: i know it's Varese, and it's a bit cold for a training camp in January (what about valencia or mallorca?)
 
Jun 16, 2009
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pastronef said:
official launch: a bit late? usually the teams launch happen before the first race
I mean, when will the team kit and riders be officially presented?

european base: i know it's Varese, and it's a bit cold for a training camp in January (what about valencia or mallorca?)
We've been told jersey's will be embargoed till the Friday night launch. SA shops will get them to retail on the Saturday morning with Santini organising everything themselves.
 
Oct 8, 2011
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JRanton said:
Yup, assuming that Kruopis wasn't lying when he was quoted as saying he'll be with GreenEdge next year. There's still some doubt over whether or not Tekle will count as a neo-pro next year (might be too old). If he doesn't count then the final two spots have to be filled with neo-pro's. Hepburn and Durbridge most likely.
Why would he lie? Very strange if he did.
Teklehaimanot is too old under the rule quoted in this thread, I don't think there is any doubt about that.
 

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