But that's not the same as "Bobridge can't climb".Timmy-loves-Rabo said:still i'd never put bobridge in a climber category.
It's not our fault, blame Voeckler.Tuarts said:Yeah, how dare he conserve his energy in the pack. That's not what cycling is about.
Why? He's a sprinter, this team likes sprinters.greenedge said:Intresting that Oscar was sought after by GE.
I see your pain, but I moved past that stage a long time ago. SBS and Greenedge themselves will praise them if they win some races but in reality, I don't see them being competitive over the full season. I even think Anthony Tan is seeing this after his comments on Bike Shorts this week. O'Grady is past his best, Mcewen is past his best, it is not likely Goss will have such a good season as he did this year, how will the other sprinters beat faster sprinters like Greipel, Kittel, Farrar or Cavendish. Gerrans does get results in the ardennes but it is generally cleaning up in a bunch sprint and it is not all that often. Langeveld and a few other riders are good classics riders but all of them either aren't great riders or are still too young to be really challenging in the classics. no stage racers doesn't help them.Luke Schmid said:As an Australian team I would love to talk positively about them but I can not be bothered any more, it is just too embarassing. They should not be getting a WT licence, I have changed my mind on that, but they do not deserve one with the mockery of a team they have put together. It is a pity because I like alot of the riders who are going to be riding for GE.
So do you mean hire someone not from Australia ...or Mick rogers.. richie porte??auscyclefan94 said:I see your pain, but I moved past that stage a long time ago. SBS and Greenedge themselves will praise them if they win some races but in reality, I don't see them being competitive over the full season. I even think Anthony Tan is seeing this after his comments on Bike Shorts this week. O'Grady is past his best, Mcewen is past his best, it is not likely Goss will have such a good season as he did this year, how will the other sprinters beat faster sprinters like Greipel, Kittel, Farrar or Cavendish. Gerrans does get results in the ardennes but it is generally cleaning up in a bunch sprint and it is not all that often. Langeveld and a few other riders are good classics riders but all of them either aren't great riders or are still too young to be really challenging in the classics. no stage racers doesn't help them.
It would probably be good to get an Australian rider because the Australian sporting public are very nationalistic because we only really support players who are from the team we support or who are from Australia which is different to some european sports such as Cycling. But even if they didn't get an Aussie and I see that they want to be a sprint/classics team, but having a stage racer can help them get results in stage races. Doesn't have to be a top stage racer and they don't have to win many races but having riders at the front of the gc in big races such as PN or TdS is what a team needs. They don't have that.Zam_Olyas said:So do you mean hire someone not from Australia ...or Mick rogers.. richie porte??
Nielsa said:Freire said he had a good offer from GE earlier in the season, but he turned it down because he thought he'd have a spot at Rabo. (He's not happy with the Rabo management.)
[/quote] A sprinter who is strong on the flats is exactly the type of rider they need too. Would have really added to the team.
Actually Freire would've been, more or less, the best climber on GreenEdgeabbaskip said:A sprinter who is strong on the flats is exactly the type of rider they need too. Would have really added to the team.
It's what cycling is about if you can conceivably win from there. Gerrans is good, but he's not good enough to win from a pack of specialists like the ones he hides himself in in recent years. Therefore conserving his energy in the pack is good for picking up more anonymous lower-half-of-the-top-10 finishes, but it isn't going to win him races. In his Crédit Agricole and Cervélo days, he would take those risks and be the best in the group he was in, and reaped the rewards. Somebody like, say, Alejandro Valverde, who can back himself in a sprint against most of the guys that will be there at the finish of a hilly race, can perhaps ride anonymously like that. Gilbert too, if the finish suits him (and many of course do). A rider like Gerrans is good enough to make a mark against those guys riding the same kind of race as them - but not good enough to beat them. Hence if he wants to win, you would expect him to have to try something different. Much like he used to do when he was a much more interesting rider.Tuarts said:Yeah, how dare he conserve his energy in the pack. That's not what cycling is about.
So what you're saying is, trying to win is not worth it because people won't be keen to let him go because he's too strong, so he may as well finish 7th and say that's good enough?greenedge said:And @LS Gerrans came 2nd at GP Plouay to Grega Bole. He is also now been up there in all the races so if he goes in a break/ attack it would be worthless energy expended as they would chase him down as he is marked because he has good tactical positioning.
We are a very nationalistic nation and that is mainly because we are so isolated from the rest of the world and have to build our sports from within the country and until recent years had very little international exposure....probably why the Commonwealth and Olympic Games have been so popular here.auscyclefan94 said:It would probably be good to get an Australian rider because the Australian sporting public are very nationalistic because we only really support players who are from the team we support or who are from Australia
San Sebastián and Amstel Gold are probably the ones that are most likely to split up and for groups to get away. Lombardia perhaps as well, but he'd have to solo in. He's shown he can stagehunt pretty well in the mountains in his GT wins, so semiclassics like Emilia (he won on San Luca in the Giro, of course) are well within his grasp, but you could argue that with wins like Plouay he's already achieving on that level so should be looking at more. But certainly it would make a good warmup for Lombardia!greenedge said:@LS you are right. I did not want him in the break of the day. If he sees an opportunity though he should attack.
Which one suits him best out of all the hilly races? is the Q i propose to all.
Completely irrelevant, more telling did it breakaway or just wait for the sprint?auscyclefan94 said:Gerry Ryan actually has bought a race horse for the team and has named it GreenEdge. Won it's first ever race it competed in at Ballarat today. Good omen?