Greenedge vs. Vacansoleil

[nobilis]

I think that these 2 teams have similar profiles and I remember it was mentioned in one of the threads. So which of Vacansoleil or Greenedge you think will have more wins, regardless of their importance.

 

[jens_attacks]

greenedge because australia now is the italy of the 90's or the spain of 2000-2006.
i feel this team being just like sky,one year of misery and then bang,strongest team out there killing everybody.
in 2012 they won't win big things,but they will have consistently top 5's in a lot of races.vacansoleil is just a bunch of nutters so i prefer this team over a lot of others.

 

[Badeend]

Vacansoleil has attractive riders, but they dont win. So GreenEdge ...

 

[nobilis]

But Vacansoleil have R. Feuilly and now Van Hummel so they'll get many wins IMO.

 

[will10]

I hope, Vacansoleil.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Never underestimate the importance of having second tier sprinters in picking up wins. And no team has more second tier sprinters than GreenEdge.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Greenedge will win more races, Vacansoleil will win more hearts.

 

[Parrulo]

Greenedge will win more races, Vacansoleil will win more hearts.

that. i voted thinking the poll was about who had the strongest squad so i voted vacansolei not that it matters anyway, every1 likes vacansolei for their overall attacking riding style and greenedge will just be another team with a few sprinters that won't heat any1's heart.

 

[theyoungest]

The most wins? Definitely Greenedge. Vacansoleil have trouble winning, certainly in the bigger races.

But I think we all know which team will provide more actual racing.

 

[karlboss]

As an Australian I'm notionally supporting Greenedge, but with the attacking style of Vaconsoliel in 2010 who couldn't love them? I'm really hoping Greenedge try to get in every break in the same way Vaconsoliel did and then when it comes to a sprint they'll have a fresh leadout and sprinter, or if it doesn't, a reasonable small bunch sprinter in the break, and if it all fails we'll applaud the effort. I can't see it happening.

Agreeing with Timmy. I can't see a team with so many sprinters, leadouts and TTers not rack up wins.

 

[WillemS]

that. i voted thinking the poll was about who had the strongest squad so i voted vacansolei not that it matters anyway, every1 likes vacansolei for their overall attacking riding style and greenedge will just be another team with a few sprinters that won't heat any1's heart.

Well, GreenEdge got some attackers. Langeveld for the spring races, Weening for the hilly stages in the GTs. O'Grady, in the right shape, might also be there in the final of a race like P-R. Well just have to see how they'll play it. Probably they're going to try to protect Langeveld and that'll probably bring him or GreenEdge nothing. I hope he'll get an attacking role, but I doubt that. I just hope the team, being brand new, will burst of enthusiasm and that can bring the most boring riders to life. You don't have to be the best to attack.

 

[Ferminal]

Oh Green Edge will win more, voted wrong

 

[El Pistolero]

The most wins? Definitely Greenedge. Vacansoleil have trouble winning, certainly in the bigger races.

But I think we all know which team will provide more actual racing.

Vaconsoleil has 25 wins this season, I can think of quite a few teams who won a lot less.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

They do win quite a lot in the european calender. Just they struggled to convert this in WT. In fact Vaconsoliel are pretty good in the european scene, and thus they do well in rankings liek CQ etc.

I do like vaconsoliel a lot.

 

[Wilba60]

The most wins? Definitely Greenedge. Vacansoleil have trouble winning, certainly in the bigger races.

But I think we all know which team will provide more actual racing.

If you know Australian sport in general, then you would recognize that winning and being aggressive in all sports is the main modus operandi. I can't see guys like Ryan and Bannan expecting anything less. One of the factors that may keep them a little quieter than would be expected could be the run into the Olympic Games where quite a few GE riders may be required at their peak, otherwise I expect them to be very visible.

Average age for Vacansoleil is 28.8, for GreenEdge 27.7. Don't know the young guns at Vacansoleil but there are some very good prospects for GE

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

If you know Australian sport in general, then you would recognize that winning and being aggressive in all sports is the main modus operandi. I can't see guys like Ryan and Bannan expecting anything less. One of the factors that may keep them a little quieter than would be expected could be the run into the Olympic Games where quite a few GE riders may be required at their peak, otherwise I expect them to be very visible.

Average age for Vacansoleil is 28.8, for GreenEdge 27.7. Don't know the young guns at Vacansoleil but there are some very good prospects for GE

There are some good prospects at vaconsoliel also.

Greenedge don't appear to have a team which will be animating arces like vaconsoliel attempt to, don't generalize, it doesn't apply to all sports. Cycling is different, and the team looks set to be all about the sprints and the northern classics at this point.

 

[Jukebox]

Greenedge is full of good enough sprinters, they should take more wins. I support Vacansoliel 10x more though.

 

[ElChingon]

Vacansoleil has attractive riders, but they dont win. So GreenEdge ...

What? Either you used the wrong word or you're going down a different road than most

OK so I voted for GreenEDGE since I know their whole mentality will be to win anything they can so they won't care which race or who's racing or who's supposed to win. They will sneak by the rest still deciding if they should cover any GreenEDGE move because they don't know their overall game plan, which will be win anything they can. Vacansoleil is still trying to decide if they're a GT, Week long Tour, or Classics team and tend to hang back too much waiting for who knows what. Yea, they'll get a few wins but not near as much as GreenEDGE.

 

[ingsve]

Well, with a team of only sprinters and lead outs pretty much they would be really bad if they didn't win a fair deal of races. Vacansoleil will feature more prominently in better races though but it's harder to stack up lots of wins when most of your riders are breakaway attackers rather than sprinters.

 

[just some guy]

greenedge because australia now is the italy of the 90's or the spain of 2000-2006.
i feel this team being just like sky,one year of misery and then bang,strongest team out there killing everybody.
in 2012 they won't win big things,but they will have consistently top 5's in a lot of races.vacansoleil is just a bunch of nutters so i prefer this team over a lot of others.

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Greenedge will win more races, Vacansoleil will win more hearts.

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Well, with a team of only sprinters and lead outs pretty much they would be really bad if they didn't win a fair deal of races. Vacansoleil will feature more prominently in better races though but it's harder to stack up lots of wins when most of your riders are breakaway attackers rather than sprinters.

I agree I also wonder what your views on how Gustav-Erik Larsson will go in such an environment - personally I think he could do very well being able to ride for himself more.

( he does seems to have issues with team orders or maybe that is just Riis as he did do a great job with Porte in 2010 at the Giro.)

 

[theyoungest]

Vaconsoleil has 25 wins this season, I can think of quite a few teams who won a lot less.

Yeah. Only three of those wins were in the WorldTour. That's why I said "in the bigger races". They're not ranked 18th out of 18 WT teams for nothing.

Vacansoleil bring their A-game to races like Tour de l'Ain. Of course they can win against semi-pros. Next year they also have Kamikaze Kenny for races like that, he wins more than Borut Bozic, but he doesn't win big.

If you know Australian sport in general, then you would recognize that winning and being aggressive in all sports is the main modus operandi. I can't see guys like Ryan and Bannan expecting anything less.

I'm not an expert on Aussie sports, but what I do know is that Greenedge consists of Matthew Goss and a whole lot of wannabe Matthew Gosses... not only do I not expect them to ride aggressively with that type of rider, it would just be utterly stupid, if you're a team of sprinters.

 

[greenedge]

Greenedge will win more. I also think Goss should beat Cav at the TDF at least once. GE have riders who can go on breaks and win, Langeveld and Albasini can both sprint. Gerrans in any break is practically guaranteed a win unless if he comes up against Thor.

I like Vaconsoleil and i hope De Gendt, Marcarto, Hoogerland, Luekemans, Bozic ( sort of a sprinter as well can win races who is now going to Astana sry ) and Poels( Sry about spelling ) The rest of the team get in futile breaks where they are not the strongest, those 6 make for exciting racing. Westra does not have to get into breaks as he is more suited to short stage races with weak PC/C teams but still racks up the wins. With Hummel and Fellieu next year Vac might pick up some more sprint wins especially now that Kittel will race bigger races now.