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stonerider

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I had Covid, had chills, fatigue, and body inflammation for 2 to 3 days, lost my smell and taste, but was back on the bike in 5 days. Now I have 6 times more antibodies than those vaccinated. Some people do have negative consequences to the vaccine and Covid isn't that bad for the majority of people. Think about it...how many people do you know that had Covid and had no or minor symptoms? All that gets posted in the news media are those with a bad reaction. Also, most people who died WITH Covid were not healthy to begin with...something was going to take them out eventually because we all going to die someday.
 
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Valanga

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stonerider said:
I had Covid, had chills, fatigue, and body inflammation for 2 to 3 days, lost my smell and taste, but was back on the bike in 5 days. Now I have 6 times more antibodies than those vaccinated. Some people do have negative consequences to the vaccine and Covid isn't that bad for the majority of people. Think about it...how many people do you know that had Covid and had no or minor symptoms? All that gets posted in the news media are those with a bad reaction. Also, most people who died WITH Covid were not healthy to begin with...something was going to take them out eventually because we all going to die someday.
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red_flanders

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Fantastico said:
This is not a scientific forum, so we shouldn't go into detail, but based on the current evidence (for delta as well as for omicron) this is plain wrong. Especially for delta COVID the booster leads to a way better protection.
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So the last thing I want to do is spread COVID nonsense, but I’ve read multiple studies regarding Delta which showed the booster was far less protective than actually getting Delta. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

The case is much less clear with Omicron, https://amp.dw.com/en/omicron-is-natural-immunity-better-than-a-vaccine/a-60425426

I don’t think we know what strain GVA had, but timing-wise my statement to which you're reacting assumed Delta. Could be wrong of course. I realize the science is early here, particularly with regard to Omicron, and I am in no way saying anyone should not get boosted. Certainly I am boosted, as are my wife and kids and none of us has gotten it so far. Clearly, even with Omicron, outcomes if one does get it are far better for those vaxxed + boosted compared to just vaxxed.

But with Omicron, breakthrough infections are incredibly common. I would not be concerned about GVA's status if I were riding or hanging out with him. The efficacy against transmission of vaxxed + boosted is not clear to me, and appears similar at this point to vaxxed + infected, but again I’m HAPPY to learn more or be corrected, if someone has published, peer reviewed studies which show otherwise.

And yes, I probably should not be having a science discussion here, so sorry for that but I thought it worth clarifying my statement. Thanks.
 
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Fantastico

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So the last thing I want to do is spread COVID nonsense, but I’ve read multiple studies regarding delta that the booster was far less protective than actually getting Delta. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

The case is much less clear with Omicron, https://amp.dw.com/en/omicron-is-natural-immunity-better-than-a-vaccine/a-60425426

I don’t think we know what strain GVA had. I realize the science is early here, particularly with regard to Omicron, and I am in no way saying anyone should not get boosted, I certainly I am boosted, as are my wife and kids. None of us has gotten it so far. Clearly, even with Omicron, outcomes are exponentially better for those vaxxed and boosted compared to just vaxxed.

But with Omicron breakthrough infections being so common, II would not be concerned about GVSs status. if I were riding or hanging out with him. The efficacy against transmission of vaxxed + boosted is not clear to me, and appears similar at this point to vaxxed + infected, but again I’m HAPPY to learn more or be corrected, if someone has published, peer reviewed studies which show otherwise.

And yes, I probably should not be having a science discussion here, so sorry for that but I thought it worth clarifying my statement. Thanks.
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Thanks for the links and the detailed answer. From what I've read there are a lot of conflicting results when it comes to immunization by infection vs. immunization by booster, so it's not really clear yet. But anyway, we shouldn't get completely off-topic.

In the end, I think we just talked about different things. You compared protection by infection vs. protection by booster, while I was referring to being boostered vs. not being immunized at all. Basically I overlooked that GVA also got infected recently. Of course, then your perspective makes more sense than mine.
 
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What Greg regretted most about his vaccinations, is that they occurred right in between races like the Dauphiné, the nationals and the Tour. He was going deep in races and on training days, so couldn't take any time to let his body adapt or even recover. And that's why all of a sudden he had the biggest drop in level of his entire carreer. He wasn't bad at all during the spring campaign, did ok in the early summer races and then faded away drastically.

I hope he can prove his point the following months. Of course I don't expect him to be the dominant factor he was before, but there must be something left in the tank.
 
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Nirvana

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glassmoon said:
If Greg is claiming he's "lost his legs" due to the vaccination then he must've been jabbed years before Covid even became a thing ;)
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That's harsh, until before the first lockdown his level was fine, at the start of 2020 at Alrgarve on Malhão he was climbing better than Nibali that a couple of weeks after finished 4th in Paris-Nice. And also after the lockdown wasn't bad. It's last year that his level started to fall with a pretty anonymous spring that looks better only because he somehow managed to finish third in the Ronde despite he was suffering and hanging on for dear life on every single climb in the finale and then it totally sunk during the summer culminating with a tragic display at the Tour du Limousin.

IMHO his level has clearly dropped last year, as shown in the spring, but during the summer something else clearly happened.
 
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jmdirt

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stonerider said:
I had Covid, had chills, fatigue, and body inflammation for 2 to 3 days, lost my smell and taste, but was back on the bike in 5 days. Now I have 6 times more antibodies than those vaccinated. Some people do have negative consequences to the vaccine and Covid isn't that bad for the majority of people. Think about it...how many people do you know that had Covid and had no or minor symptoms? All that gets posted in the news media are those with a bad reaction. Also, most people who died WITH Covid were not healthy to begin with...something was going to take them out eventually because we all going to die someday.
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Can you point me in the direction of that research, I would like to read it.
 
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