Hincapie delusional about his self-worth?

[thehog]

- What's going with him? He's trying to sound like he's the only one who "sacrifices" themselves? Why all the grandeur. He was pimping it large with the gear and riding on the front stage after stage. Why the nobility now?

“I know you’ve got a job and you’ve got to ask these questions. I’ve got a job too,” Hincapie told VeloNews at the team’s hotel in Paso Robles, California. “My job’s here to race my bike, promote the sport that we all love; that I’ve sacrificed my whole life for and I just have no interest in dragging this sport through the mud, so I’m sorry, but I have no comment.”

“Look at all the fans out here; the race is doing awesome,” said Hincapie. “It has incredible support and incredible sponsors. I believe in cycling. I believe in what cycling has done. I believe cycling has done more than any other sport to make it a clean sport. Why can’t we focus on that?”

- Problem is you weren't making cycling very clean when at USPS. You're part of the messt hat has to be cleaned up.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/news/hincapie-ochowicz-react-to-hamilton-accusations_174673

 

[drfunk000]

- What's going with him? He's trying to sound like he's the only one who "sacrifices" themselves? Why all the grandeur. He was pimping it large with the gear and riding on the front stage after stage. Why the nobility now?

I very much respect Hincapie's response because he's neither lying nor hypocritically attacking the accused.

 

[TERMINATOR]

I very much respect Hincapie's response because he's neither lying nor hypocritically attacking the accused.

Oh yeah, well if he lied in front of the grand jury he's going to jail for perjury. That little denial Omerta garbage might work with WADA and the sycophant media, but if you lie in a grand jury about a material fact, then Hincapie will go to the Bighouse. Hamilton and Landis did the right thing, as did Andreu and likely Zabriskie. But Hincrapie thinks his loyalty to Lance is worth his freedom.

And he can join Lance in jail too. Lance thinks that calling dozens of people liars is a great legal strategy because he thinks the U.S. Attorney is some pushover. Tex is going to be in for a big surprise.

The next headline you will read is: Lance Armstrong Indicted

 

[just some guy]

He just said no Comment in a drawn out way ..........

I don´t see where this is an issue -

as for if he knew what went on, etc etc etc thats a whole other issue.

and where did DZ say hes coming out with the beans and spilling them.

So much assumption and rumor making when not just sit back and watch the house of cards come down.

 

[rata de sentina]

- What's going with him? He's trying to sound like he's the only one who "sacrifices" themselves? Why all the grandeur. He was pimping it large with the gear and riding on the front stage after stage. Why the nobility now?

You're snuffling in the wrong trough here hog. Hincapie is in a pretty difficult position since he has more to lose than some of the others. If he has testified, chances are he told the truth but that doesn't been he has to trumpet it in the media. To me his absence of comment is telling in itself.

Must be time for some self congratulation.

 

[Astana1]

Has nothing to do with self worth. It was a deflection plain and simple and a pretty deft one at that.

Hincapie and DZ are unlike Hamilton and Landis in that they both have alot to lose.

When push comes to shove they won't fall on their sword for Lance. My guess is that they have already sung.

 

[Berzin]

Hincapie can say what he wants to the press. It's his grand jury testimony that counts.

He's still racing, owns a clothing line dedicated to cycling, and I believe still sponsors a team with his brother in South Carolina.

This isn't going to be the guy who will do any confessing in public.

His statements about wanting to focus on what cycling is doing now on the anti-doping front should not be a smokescreen for what he was involved in for the whole seven years Armstrong won the Tour, a point The Hog nails in his original post.

And as unfortunate as this statement may seem, someone has to say it-Hincapie is the type of cat who needs to be ousted from the cycling scene. I cringe at the thought of him being involved in youth cycling. He was part of the US squad that was doped and went along with the charade at US Postal without a hint of remorse. People like him need to be jettisoned from going anywhere near young, impressionable cyclists who may see him as a hero.

The fact that he comes across as "a nice guy" shouldn't play into it, though unfortunately it does. He played a role in the biggest sporting fraud cycling has ever seen, and now he wants people to just forget and move on. Sorry dude, but it's about time someone takes responsibility for this mess.

 

[mwbyrd]

Hincapie can say what he wants to the press. It's his grand jury testimony that counts.

He's still racing, owns a clothing line dedicated to cycling, and I believe still sponsors a team with his brother in South Carolina.

This isn't going to be the guy who will do any confessing in public.

His statements about wanting to focus on what cycling is doing now on the anti-doping front should not be a smokescreen for what he was involved in for the whole seven years Armstrong won the Tour, a point The Hog nails in his original post.

And as unfortunate as this statement may seem, someone has to say it-Hincapie is the type of cat who needs to be ousted from the cycling scene. I cringe at the thought of him being involved in youth cycling. He was part of the US squad that was doped and went along with the charade at US Postal without a hint of remorse. People like him need to be jettisoned from going anywhere near young, impressionable cyclists who may see him as a hero.

The fact that he comes across as "a nice guy" shouldn't play into it, though unfortunately it does. He played a role in the biggest sporting fraud cycling has ever seen, and now he wants people to just forget and move on. Sorry dude, but it's about time someone takes responsibility for this mess.

Some of you that are so tough on the guys that were racing in the 90's early 2000s need to come off your soap box. Pay attention to what Landis and Hamilton are saying.

They are saying that it was what was going on in cycling. Obviously, everyone was doing it but not talking about it. They cyclists aren't bad people, just people that got caught up in something and made a decision one way or the other.

We don't need to be upset with the cyclists. The people in charge of the sport are the ones the let it happen. 'Us' fans were on the edge of our seats watching and cheering. We can't now just decided that the riders where a bunch of cheats. They didn't cheat us of anything. Just because the riders don't admit to something in public, doesn't mean they owe us fans an explanation, especially if they are making a livelihood (ie, money, business, etc) through cycling.

Unless some of you folks who expect Hincapie/Zabriskie to come clean have lived 100% squeaky clean lives, don't hold the riders to such high standards.

 

[thehog]

I don't have a problem with the "no comment" - it's the rhetoric that follows. "no one wants a clean sport like me" - "the sacrifices I've made" - I mean seriously. Just say no comment. You can't claim you're anti-doping when you smashed it year on year rising an entire peloton off your wheel. He knew what he was doing.

 

[Willy_Voet]

"...sacrificed my whole life for..."

Yeah, Hincapie, tough break, bro. It's called a job. Some people dig ditches, some people work at fast food joints. Some people get shot at everyday. You get to do something you love, travel the world, marry a podium girl. You've had a supportive family (and one of your own now, too).

Sacrifice?! Welcome to the real world.

 

[veganrob]

"...sacrificed my whole life for..."

Yeah, Hincapie, tough break, bro. It's called a job. Some people dig ditches, some people work at fast food joints. Some people get shot at everyday. You get to do something you love, travel the world, marry a podium girl. You've had a supportive family (and one of your own now, too).

Sacrifice?! Welcome to the real world.

+1 Well said.

 

[kurtinsc]

"...sacrificed my whole life for..."

Yeah, Hincapie, tough break, bro. It's called a job. Some people dig ditches, some people work at fast food joints. Some people get shot at everyday. You get to do something you love, travel the world, marry a podium girl. You've had a supportive family (and one of your own now, too).

Sacrifice?! Welcome to the real world.

While I agree with you... he's not totally off either.

If I worked for 20 years at a small business, working my way up and building it into a successful company spanning several states... and then it was brought down by a number of other players in the business having cheated on the company's taxes... I'd be down about it too. Even if I helped cheat as well.

It could be accurate to say I "sacrificed my life" for the business. That sort of description applies to those who have personally invested a lot of themselves in their work. I don't know if that applies to George or not.

I know it doesn't for me... my job is just a job. Something I do to support my family. I'm not investing my well being in the various companies I've worked for... I just perform the tasks required to fufill my contract.

But others I work with ARE invested and do sacrifice themselves for their work. I'm not going to belittle that.

 

[twothirds]

I think the point about sacrifice, is that at the pro level, everyone makes the same sacrifices, and if you choose to ride clean, you sacrifice more than those that use.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Hincapie can say what he wants to the press. It's his grand jury testimony that counts.

He's still racing, owns a clothing line dedicated to cycling, and I believe still sponsors a team with his brother in South Carolina.

This isn't going to be the guy who will do any confessing in public.

His statements about wanting to focus on what cycling is doing now on the anti-doping front should not be a smokescreen for what he was involved in for the whole seven years Armstrong won the Tour, a point The Hog nails in his original post.

And as unfortunate as this statement may seem, someone has to say it-Hincapie is the type of cat who needs to be ousted from the cycling scene. I cringe at the thought of him being involved in youth cycling. He was part of the US squad that was doped and went along with the charade at US Postal without a hint of remorse. People like him need to be jettisoned from going anywhere near young, impressionable cyclists who may see him as a hero.

The fact that he comes across as "a nice guy" shouldn't play into it, though unfortunately it does. He played a role in the biggest sporting fraud cycling has ever seen, and now he wants people to just forget and move on. Sorry dude, but it's about time someone takes responsibility for this mess.

Good post Berzin.
And not in a million will he fall on a sword for Lance....

 

[rickshaw]

Only one thing can appease us

they must all pay the ultimate price

 

[Merckx index]

I was kind of hoping George would join Tyler and Frankie on 60 mins. I would be very curious to see how Fabiani would discredit him. He's not a lying convicted doper. No Olympic medal to make a deal with the feds over. No previous sworn testimony supporting LA.

Suppose George did or will testify against LA in the GJ. What would Fabiani say? Maybe that George's wife hates Lance, and George had to go along with his wife?

 

[skippythepinhead]

Hincapie can say what he wants to the press. It's his grand jury testimony that counts.

He's still racing, owns a clothing line dedicated to cycling, and I believe still sponsors a team with his brother in South Carolina.

This isn't going to be the guy who will do any confessing in public.

His statements about wanting to focus on what cycling is doing now on the anti-doping front should not be a smokescreen for what he was involved in for the whole seven years Armstrong won the Tour, a point The Hog nails in his original post.

And as unfortunate as this statement may seem, someone has to say it-Hincapie is the type of cat who needs to be ousted from the cycling scene. I cringe at the thought of him being involved in youth cycling. He was part of the US squad that was doped and went along with the charade at US Postal without a hint of remorse. People like him need to be jettisoned from going anywhere near young, impressionable cyclists who may see him as a hero.

The fact that he comes across as "a nice guy" shouldn't play into it, though unfortunately it does. He played a role in the biggest sporting fraud cycling has ever seen, and now he wants people to just forget and move on. Sorry dude, but it's about time someone takes responsibility for this mess.

I'll give you your +1 if you sub in Contador as well.

 

[tofino]

Jury and waiting

I'm sure that Hincapie sang a different tune at the Grand Jury.

Maybe he's thinking that he does not have to be the "one" to put Lance to the sword. Plus in his own case the longer he waits, the more guys that come out and confess, the less an impact any confession will have IMHO.

At the end he can just say "me too" and move forward BUT that ain't going to happen while he's still racing.

 

[131313]

I don't have a problem with the "no comment" - it's the rhetoric that follows. "no one wants a clean sport like me" - "the sacrifices I've made" - I mean seriously. Just say no comment. You can't claim you're anti-doping when you smashed it year on year rising an entire peloton off your wheel. He knew what he was doing.

Agree, completely.

I understand him not offering a public mea culpa. But his incredible lameness and "woe is me" thing has gotta go. He pulled the same nonsense when Floyd implicated him. If by "sacrifices" he means "made a very lucrative career for myself", then he has a point...

Some of his contemporaries who decided not to dope just left cycling in the '90's. So let's stop pretending there were no victims, or no consequences to his actions.

 

[Zweistein]

While I agree with you... he's not totally off either.

If I worked for 20 years at a small business, working my way up and building it into a successful company spanning several states... and then it was brought down by a number of other players in the business having cheated on the company's taxes... I'd be down about it too. Even if I helped cheat as well.

It could be accurate to say I "sacrificed my life" for the business. That sort of description applies to those who have personally invested a lot of themselves in their work. I don't know if that applies to George or not.

I know it doesn't for me... my job is just a job. Something I do to support my family. I'm not investing my well being in the various companies I've worked for... I just perform the tasks required to fufill my contract.

But others I work with ARE invested and do sacrifice themselves for their work. I'm not going to belittle that.

I think a more accurate comparison would be somebody that built up a business by stealing someone else's patents and made a substantial amount of money with the hardwork they put into the business. Then after outed for stealing patents, believing that due to the hard work that was put into something that was fraudulent from the start you are entitled to the gains.

People have to remember that his fortune was created by stealing from riders who didn't dope. There are talented cyclist who worked hard for nothing because of what he was involved in.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Bzzt! Wrong

Some of you that are so tough on the guys that were racing in the 90's early 2000s need to come off your soap box. Pay attention to what Landis and Hamilton are saying.

They are saying that it was what was going on in cycling. Obviously, everyone was doing it but not talking about it. They cyclists aren't bad people, just people that got caught up in something and made a decision one way or the other.

They are both attempting to soften what they did in their own minds. They stole from and lied to clean riders and the response is, "Everyone did it, so it's okay." Let's go back to childhood for a minute, if "everyone" jumped off a cliff to their death does that make it okay? No. They need to live with the fact they lied and stole for YEARS to get their results.

We don't need to be upset with the cyclists.

I'm not the first person who has mentioned that great athletes are sometimes not great humans. I'm glad Tyler and Floyd stopped the ridiculous lies and just came clean. But the damage they've done to at minimum a decade's worth of honest riders earns them some kind of reasonable negative response.

The people in charge of the sport are the ones the let it happen. 'Us' fans were on the edge of our seats watching and cheering. We can't now just decided that the riders where a bunch of cheats. They didn't cheat us of anything. Just because the riders don't admit to something in public, doesn't mean they owe us fans an explanation, especially if they are making a livelihood (ie, money, business, etc) through cycling.

Unless some of you folks who expect Hincapie/Zabriskie to come clean have lived 100% squeaky clean lives, don't hold the riders to such high standards.

The topic of the widespread corruption at national and global cycling federation is not even close to started. Hopefully, they are next to be investigated.

Dopers cheat fans. Their performance is dishonest. Not a little dishonest, totally dishonest. We have the facts to make a strong inferential case. So, yes, we can now just decided riders on the podium were a bunch of cheats.

To close with the 'perfect life' argument is a failure. No life lead is 100% perfect. You could apply the same pathetic excuse to a guy like Chris Carmichael who was injecting kids with dope with the explicit threat of take the injection or leave the U.S. Cycling Team way back in the day. Giving young adults chronic and mysterious illnesses as a result of the doping is okay? How about killing young adults with EPO induced heart attacks? Apologizing for the doping takes us right back to the bad old days because there are no consequences for cheating if you use that '100% perfect' argument.

The evidence does not look good for Hincapie being clean. That's for sure. Ideally, he retires and comes clean publicly so long as it doesn't mess up the investigations in progress. Tyler and Floyd did the right thing. It took too damn long to get there though...

 

[Oldman]

Some of you that are so tough on the guys that were racing in the 90's early 2000s need to come off your soap box. Pay attention to what Landis and Hamilton are saying.

They are saying that it was what was going on in cycling. Obviously, everyone was doing it but not talking about it. They cyclists aren't bad people, just people that got caught up in something and made a decision one way or the other.

We don't need to be upset with the cyclists. The people in charge of the sport are the ones the let it happen. 'Us' fans were on the edge of our seats watching and cheering. We can't now just decided that the riders where a bunch of cheats. They didn't cheat us of anything. Just because the riders don't admit to something in public, doesn't mean they owe us fans an explanation, especially if they are making a livelihood (ie, money, business, etc) through cycling.

Unless some of you folks who expect Hincapie/Zabriskie to come clean have lived 100% squeaky clean lives, don't hold the riders to such high standards.

Gotta agree with you on some of this although many domestic cyclists from that period chose not to cross the line. Where is their acknowledgement?
The people in charge of the sport didn't let it happen, in Lance, Tyler, George, Frankie and others they found willing players in a game they all profitted from.
What I would really like to hear from any of these riders is a fair appraisal of the competitiors they bested for results and dollars that did not dope. It's like they've eradicated several decades of honest contribution to the sport.

 

[DirtyWorks]

And as unfortunate as this statement may seem, someone has to say it-Hincapie is the type of cat who needs to be ousted from the cycling scene. I cringe at the thought of him being involved in youth cycling. He was part of the US squad that was doped and went along with the charade at US Postal without a hint of remorse. People like him need to be jettisoned from going anywhere near young, impressionable cyclists who may see him as a hero.

The fact that he comes across as "a nice guy" shouldn't play into it, though unfortunately it does. He played a role in the biggest sporting fraud cycling has ever seen, and now he wants people to just forget and move on. Sorry dude, but it's about time someone takes responsibility for this mess.

+1.

Though, I'd call it one of the biggest global sporting frauds. The black sox scandal is still huge and that only happened on a national stage. This is a global stage, so unless football (AKA soccer), golf???, or perhaps F1 racing is picking winners the way the UCI has done, then Tailwind+UCI's fraud will be the new gold standard in fraud. It's epic in scale too. International money and controlled substance flows, vague business shennanigans at a cancer foundation that shares a for-profit brand. It's huge!

 

[CentralCaliBike]

I think the point about sacrifice, is that at the pro level, everyone makes the same sacrifices, and if you choose to ride clean, you sacrifice more than those that use.

According to the Hamilton interview, if you ride clean you sacrifice your ability to compete.

 

[D-Queued]

According to the Hamilton interview, if you ride clean you sacrifice your ability to compete.

And there will always be some that are unwilling to make the ultimate sacrifice - and not dope.

Dave.