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How Come No Thread For Ochowicz?

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86TDFWinner

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This guy's just as big a POT as Wonderboy is, and he not only knew what was going on, but embaraced the doping culture, supported it, and pushed it as well on the tour, with multiple teams, and riders. I'm reading "Wheelmen" right now, holy blue bicycles, the guy should be permanently banned from even attending any bicycle event. How come he doesn't get much heat as well in wake of all that's happened. And Chris Carmichael is a huge POT too.
 
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I wish I had a video of the time he rode into a ditch on his bikenear SF while hanging on to the car up a climb.
Guess he didn't use the same stuff that he advocated that the riders use as he was sucking wind like a man with a chronic case of emphysema.
Really a sideshow act, that guy. Can't see what value he is to anyone. Super******.
 
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TexPat said:
I wish I had a video of the time he rode into a ditch on his bikenear SF while hanging on to the car up a climb.
Guess he didn't use the same stuff that he advocated that the riders use as he was sucking wind like a man with a chronic case of emphysema.
Really a sideshow act, that guy. Can't see what value he is to anyone. Super******.
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I don't have that video of him falling in a ditch that time but I do have this

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42x16ss

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I hope Lance or one of his ex team mates go nuclear and finally give the dirt on this guy in the CIRC (not likely though). IMO he's not far off DS's such as Bruyneel and Saiz when it comes to a lack of morals.
 
DirtyWorks

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42x16ss said:
I hope Lance or one of his ex team mates go nuclear and finally give the dirt on this guy in the CIRC (not likely though). IMO he's not far off DS's such as Bruyneel and Saiz when it comes to a lack of morals.
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I was able to calibrate Jim's integrity when I first met him at the 1978 Red Zinger Stage Race where he was competing and I served as chief timer. In the race on July 11 from Aspen to Vail, Colorado, Jim came off the back of the peloton and was not seen again until he finished third, well ahead of the peloton. Needless to say he was booted out of the race but he didn't seem to learn anything from that experience. He went on to become a very successful professional team manager and played a strong supporting role in the later corrupt takeover of USA Cycling (USAC) by San Francisco investment banker Thom Weisel.

Corruption is/was no problem for Och.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...stanford.edu/~learnest/cyclops/dopestrong.htm
 
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86TDFWinner said:
This guy's just as big a POT as Wonderboy is, and he not only knew what was going on, but embaraced the doping culture, supported it, and pushed it as well on the tour, with multiple teams, and riders. I'm reading "Wheelmen" right now, holy blue bicycles, the guy should be permanently banned from even attending any bicycle event. How come he doesn't get much heat as well in wake of all that's happened. And Chris Carmichael is a huge POT too.
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Sorry to be so naïve, but what is a POT. My internet slang is pretty good but on this one I am lost?
 
42x16ss

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DirtyWorks said:

I was able to calibrate Jim's integrity when I first met him at the 1978 Red Zinger Stage Race where he was competing and I served as chief timer. In the race on July 11 from Aspen to Vail, Colorado, Jim came off the back of the peloton and was not seen again until he finished third, well ahead of the peloton. Needless to say he was booted out of the race but he didn't seem to learn anything from that experience. He went on to become a very successful professional team manager and played a strong supporting role in the later corrupt takeover of USA Cycling (USAC) by San Francisco investment banker Thom Weisel.

Corruption is/was no problem for Och.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...stanford.edu/~learnest/cyclops/dopestrong.htm
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Wow, that is a scary read :(

Thom Wiesel has a lot to answer for. I knew he was a scumbag but being Australian I didn't know just how low he is. POS is a compliment to that man.
 
DirtyWorks

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Wow, that is a scary read :(

Thom Wiesel has a lot to answer for. I knew he was a scumbag but being Australian I didn't know just how low he is. POS is a compliment to that man.
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Wiesel and Johnson are still running the American federation. They cannot be removed by anyone. All the important parts of the Armstrong fraud are still in place. They just need a new actor who is willing to dope and responds well to doping.

The worst part is that other cycling federations view what Wiesel did as innovative and are copying the management structure.
 
86TDFWinner

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FWIW, I was reminded of this story: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-explains-decision-to-sign-with-bmc-racing-team

including his friendship with Armstrong, who [Taylor] Phinney revealed, had broken off all communication ever since Ochowicz made his first offer.
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WOW!! So Wonderboy is apparently **** hurt that Och makes a deal w/Phinney?

Och goes from one team to another, and continues getting work, amazing with his doping background/involvement. Do you think this was Taylors way of leaving the mess w/Trek/Dopestrong, and not wanting any association with them?
 
DirtyWorks

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86TDFWinner said:
WOW!! So Wonderboy is apparently **** hurt that Och makes a deal w/Phinney?

Och goes from one team to another, and continues getting work, amazing with his doping background/involvement. Do you think this was Taylors way of leaving the mess w/Trek/Dopestrong, and not wanting any association with them?
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Per my other post on the topic, I know Wiesel has been searching for another person to take Wonderboy's place as the actor/athlete in front of a brand business, essentially a duplicate of the Wonderboy fraud.

Maybe it was as simple as the contract terms were not favorable. That would not surprise me as it is well documented Tailwind played hard ball about contract terms outside of Armstrong's own. Maybe there was more to it. I really don't know either way.
 
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Before even facing a question Ochowicz complained to Cyclingnews about a story that appeared on the website on Tuesday that mentioned former rider Alessandro Ballan. The Italian was fired from the team after he was handed a two-year ban for doping. Ochowicz told Cyclingnews that if they continued to mention Ballan in such a manner they would lose access with the team.
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+1 to Benson for not succumbing to this blatant attempt at enforcing omerta.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-managers-provide-mixed-reactions-to-bruyneels-doping-ban
 
hrotha

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Ugh, White. I'm quite tired of that line. "There's a handful of people being punished for a whole generation!". They forget Armstrong was one of the very few top riders from his era that hadn't been busted at one point or another?
 
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Ugh, White. I'm quite tired of that line. "There's a handful of people being punished for a whole generation!". They forget Armstrong was one of the very few top riders from his era that hadn't been busted at one point or another?
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I read it a little more optimistically as him having a problem with just one team getting the bulk of the sanctions. By bringing Lance and Johan down has that changed the sport or put it in a better place? No.” He does need to be very careful with this kind of talk though.

Och is clearly spooked, but still never-sanctioned. It's not cheating unless he gets caught!!!
 
86TDFWinner

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Proves how teams still operate omerta and that there really is little difference between 1999 and 2014.
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Yep, but Och was apparently supporting/pushing dope as far back as the 7 Eleven team, according to "Wheelmen"(Could be the reasoning behind LeMond nixing the supposed deal they had in place for Greg to join them, and he goes to PDM instead).
 
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