I need some help with my math.

[PotentialPro]

Something doesnt add up. Normally when someone goes through testicular cancer, they are saying freeze sperm, you may not have kids naturally. You get this cancer bad enough to remove one testicle, that isnt a good prognosis in the first place. Then you blast that region with radiation, not just a little, but a tremendous amount. Chemo doesnt even work on testicular cancer I understand. Add in more chemo for brain cancer and your body should be a total mess, let alone be a weekend athlete, but you go on to be the best cyclist in the world with one testicle and no help?
So add in to this equation, that he tells star girlfriend that he doesnt want anymore kids. New girlfriend after that one, now has not one but today child number 2 fully naturally, not artificially. Said frozen sperm from years ago are still untouched. My math doesnt work here. Miracles involved? I had thyroid cancer, my T level is wacked out and below the scale low. How does this individual return to the top of the sport, have more kids, and claim everything is all perfect again? There are hundred of thousands of other men that cant even have kids after going through the same thing. I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production, but not to trust to not have birth defects. Should saint precede Armstrong? Or does a third child create the third miracle?

 

[luckyboy]

Something doesnt add up. Normally when someone goes through testicular cancer, they are saying freeze sperm, you may not have kids naturally. You get this cancer bad enough to remove one testicle, that isnt a good prognosis in the first place. Then you blast that region with radiation, not just a little, but a tremendous amount. Chemo doesnt even work on testicular cancer I understand. Add in more chemo for brain cancer and your body should be a total mess, let alone be a weekend athlete, but you go on to be the best cyclist in the world with one testicle and no help?
So add in to this equation, that he tells star girlfriend that he doesnt want anymore kids. New girlfriend after that one, now has not one but today child number 2 fully naturally, not artificially. Said frozen sperm from years ago are still untouched. My math doesnt work here. Miracles involved? I had thyroid cancer, my T level is wacked out and below the scale low. How does this individual return to the top of the sport, have more kids, and claim everything is all perfect again? There are hundred of thousands of other men that cant even have kids after going through the same thing. I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production, but not to trust to not have birth defects. Should saint precede Armstrong? Or does a third child create the third miracle?

"I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles."

 

[TERMINATOR]

Something doesnt add up. Normally when someone goes through testicular cancer, they are saying freeze sperm, you may not have kids naturally. You get this cancer bad enough to remove one testicle, that isnt a good prognosis in the first place. Then you blast that region with radiation, not just a little, but a tremendous amount. Chemo doesnt even work on testicular cancer I understand. Add in more chemo for brain cancer and your body should be a total mess, let alone be a weekend athlete, but you go on to be the best cyclist in the world with one testicle and no help?
So add in to this equation, that he tells star girlfriend that he doesnt want anymore kids. New girlfriend after that one, now has not one but today child number 2 fully naturally, not artificially. Said frozen sperm from years ago are still untouched. My math doesnt work here. Miracles involved? I had thyroid cancer, my T level is wacked out and below the scale low. How does this individual return to the top of the sport, have more kids, and claim everything is all perfect again? There are hundred of thousands of other men that cant even have kids after going through the same thing. I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production, but not to trust to not have birth defects. Should saint precede Armstrong? Or does a third child create the third miracle?

Your post is largely incoherent. I don't even understand your questions. Here are some of your sentences:

1.) "Should saint precede Armstrong?" (What does this mean?)

2.) "Or does a third child create the third miracle?" (What does this mean?)

3.) "I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production...." (doesn't this statement by you definitively answer the question you are posing?)

 

[Polyarmour]

Your post is largely incoherent. I don't even understand your questions. Here are some of your sentences:

1.) "Should saint precede Armstrong?" (What does this mean?)

2.) "Or does a third child create the third miracle?" (What does this mean?)

3.) "I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production...." (doesn't this statement by you definitively answer the question you are posing?)

1.) As in St Armstrong.
2.) Referring to the former practice of requiring 3 miracles to become a saint.
3.) I agree, 50/50 are pretty good odds.

 

[Altitude]

What exactly are you suggesting with this post?

 

[HoustonHammer]

Something doesnt add up. Normally when someone goes through testicular cancer, they are saying freeze sperm, you may not have kids naturally. You get this cancer bad enough to remove one testicle, that isnt a good prognosis in the first place. Then you blast that region with radiation, not just a little, but a tremendous amount. Chemo doesnt even work on testicular cancer I understand. Add in more chemo for brain cancer and your body should be a total mess, let alone be a weekend athlete, but you go on to be the best cyclist in the world with one testicle and no help?
So add in to this equation, that he tells star girlfriend that he doesnt want anymore kids. New girlfriend after that one, now has not one but today child number 2 fully naturally, not artificially. Said frozen sperm from years ago are still untouched. My math doesnt work here. Miracles involved? I had thyroid cancer, my T level is wacked out and below the scale low. How does this individual return to the top of the sport, have more kids, and claim everything is all perfect again? There are hundred of thousands of other men that cant even have kids after going through the same thing. I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production, but not to trust to not have birth defects. Should saint precede Armstrong? Or does a third child create the third miracle?

Dude, you need help with a lot more than math.

Maybe you can break that all down for us a bit. What's your point?

 

[sartain]

Dude, you need help with a lot more than math.

Maybe you can break that all down for us a bit. What's your point?

PP,

I have to concur with HoustonHammer, I think you need HELP with more than just your MATH. I looked at your User CP and then followed your links; you left bread crumbs like Hansel & Gretel. Not sure what to make of your story and blog, it seems a bit off-center and reads like a bunch of BS to me, but maybe I am just a bit jaded. For a guy that claims to be a writer, you need to brush up on you're editing skills. Your LLC company also looks a bit fake to me. Just my 2 cents on you're posting.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Alright, guys;

I have no idea what's going on here. I'd just like it to be known that I like my martinis shaken, not stirred. That's shaken, b*tches!

I'm so happy I can make myself laugh...

 

[PotentialPro]

Not a problem, I can break things down further for you.

Reproductive issues specific to Lance, on this link here

How catastrophic treatment is: http://www.tc-cancer.com/treatment.html

Although prognosis is good for some victims (link here) adding in other issues from other cancers makes for more difficulties. The math doesnt add up more for me here as this ends up being luckier and luckier that the odds are in your favor with adding in additional cancers. Those with an initial diagnosis of cancer, are over 50% more likely to have a later diagnosis of another cancer, and more recurrences.

Others bring up questions in relation to ability to father here: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/item_SusX3utr6K9wxobKMRyLTP


I can post other sources in relation to likelihood of functionality, and systematic issues. The prevailing concern for any patient is being safe and at what consequences do the treatments present as this wasnt a grade 1 case. This information here points to a 40-85% change http://www.healthcentral.com/ency/408/guides/000067_4_7.html and with my further contention of additional cancers and treatments the likelihood of being at the top of that range is further limited. Also this range is partially boosted by some patients receiving Clomid (a doping agent, and fertility drug), as most testicular cancer patients see a fertility doctor to assure success after treatment.

As to my business, it is registered with the Secretary of State, and I pay my taxes on it, perform contract work and is far from fake. I can post my opinion in my blog as I see fit, and do so. As a cancer patient, and at one time a reasonably successful cyclist in my area, I have my doubts in relation to anyone surviving a cancer that is more traumatic than my own and going on to show the ultimate in success. I have a cancer with a very high cure rate. But you dont just miraculously achieve success so quickly after any cancer, regardless of cure rate. Your body is an absolute mess, and even 1 year post treatment, most every doctor will tell you, that you are still recovering.

Sartain, perhaps you are jaded. I know I am, from my experiences in the world of cycling alone, let alone being a cancer patient. Much has happened to me in just 3 years after cancer, and it hasn't been all positive. If you believe for a few moments that everything on the surface with so many of these anomalies we now see with pro cyclists is not reason for concern, then your separation of truth from fiction is a bit blurred. The math in relation to one occurrence of cancer has certain odds. Add in another cancer, worse odds. In my opinion, that too is reason for concern.

Furthermore, I am not worried about my editing on a forum. Just expressing ideas, doubts and concerns here, just as everyone else does. And then reading the comment in regards to them, not in regards to my editing. I didn't realize I was being graded as if it were a college assignment.

To spell it out, how does just one person, so many times, in so many ways, stare down odds worse than winning the lottery not just once or twice, but many times, and come out with such huge success? You can't point to any person at all out there, that has survived cancer, and had any sporting success at all. Those with two cancers are even rarer, then fathering multiple children, not only after telling one person he would rather not, but doing so naturally, is also defying certain odds.

 

[pedaling squares]

No offence intended PP but I couldn't care less what comes out of Lance Armstrong's ball nor is it any of my business how he plans, creates, or raises his children.

 

[NashbarShorts]

Set aside the part about his reproductive capabilities, I think we'd all agree it was a miracle he got past cancer. Even the haters among us realize he was given deadman's odds to come through it, yet he did.

That really should have been enough of an "inspiration" for any of us. That he then had to go and PED himself up to his eyeballs, leave his wife, and start balling Kate Hudson and the Olsen twins.... well, it's unfortunate, but it sold a lot of bracelets.

Which brings us back to the point of your posting? Seems to be that although his cancer was much more severe than yours, somehow his 'boys' can swim. Perhaps the only explanation is: a) miracles happen, and/or b) life ain't fair.

On the grand scheme of cosmic fairness, I'd tend to feel more sympathy for the people who DIDN'T survive cancer, versus a guy who's wondering aloud why he's shooting blanks yet otherwise healthy

 

[delbified]

why would he lie about his method of reproduction? there are other things people suspect him of lying about - perhaps he's not the caniving drug cheat people make him out to be, perhaps he is just a compulsive liar.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Or maybe the one nut left is really kick-***... I'm with the "life ain't fair' contingent. I'm fairly certain Jesus hates me...

 

[Polyarmour]

Set aside the part about his reproductive capabilities, I think we'd all agree it was a miracle he got past cancer. Even the haters among us realize he was given deadman's odds to come through it, yet he did.

That really should have been enough of an "inspiration" for any of us. That he then had to go and PED himself up to his eyeballs, leave his wife, and start balling Kate Hudson and the Olsen twins.... well, it's unfortunate, but it sold a lot of bracelets.

Which brings us back to the point of your posting? Seems to be that although his cancer was much more severe than yours, somehow his 'boys' can swim. Perhaps the only explanation is: a) miracles happen, and/or b) life ain't fair.

On the grand scheme of cosmic fairness, I'd tend to feel more sympathy for the people who DIDN'T survive cancer, versus a guy who's wondering aloud why he's shooting blanks yet otherwise healthy

So the 1st miracle was that he survived cancer.
The 2nd miracle was that he won 7TdF's on the trot while PED'd up to the eyeballs, (after all everyone else was PED'd too but they weren't ex cancer victims so it's still a miracle)
And the 3rd miracle was that he reproduced kiddies after having his left one zapped with gamma rays.

Yep no doubt about it, St Lance the Patron Saint of (enhanced) Cycling it is from now on.

 

[HoustonHammer]

To spell it out, how does just one person, so many times, in so many ways, stare down odds worse than winning the lottery not just once or twice, but many times, and come out with such huge success? You can't point to any person at all out there, that has survived cancer, and had any sporting success at all. Those with two cancers are even rarer, then fathering multiple children, not only after telling one person he would rather not, but doing so naturally, is also defying certain odds.

Well, what you're saying has been clear from the beginning, but I'm just not sure what you're point is.

You don't seem to be just marveling at the LA myth. Are you saying that all of these things (i.e. cancer survivin', clean TdF winnin', and babe up-knockin') are so improbable they can't all be true? That maybe Lance is a kind of cycling Manchurian candidate?

Tell the truth: are you Jesse Ventura?

 

[Digger]

Well, what you're saying has been clear from the beginning, but I'm just not sure what you're point is.

You don't seem to be just marveling at the LA myth. Are you saying that all of these things (i.e. cancer survivin', clean TdF winnin', and babe up-knockin') are so improbable they can't all be true? That maybe Lance is a kind of cycling Manchurian candidate?

Tell the truth: are you Jesse Ventura?

Or is he saying that Lance must be God?

 

[auscyclefan94]

No offence intended PP but I couldn't care less what comes out of Lance Armstrong's ball nor is it any of my business how he plans, creates, or raises his children.

But you care a lot about what comes out of his p-enis.

 

[rata de sentina]

What's math got to do with it? Absolutely nothing. Any evidence LAs cod was blasted with isotopes? Nope. Any evidence the OP can do a freakin' search on testicular cancer? Nope Any evidence the OP is anything other than a particularly dimwitted troll? Nope. Case closed.

 

[HoustonHammer]

What's math got to do with it? Absolutely nothing. Any evidence LAs cod was blasted with isotopes? Nope. Any evidence the OP can do a freakin' search on testicular cancer? Nope Any evidence the OP is anything other than a particularly dimwitted troll? Nope. Case closed.

Better be careful how you talk about Jesse the Body. He's an old man, but I'm sure he's got a pile-driver or two left in him...

 

[thehog]

Something doesnt add up. Normally when someone goes through testicular cancer, they are saying freeze sperm, you may not have kids naturally. You get this cancer bad enough to remove one testicle, that isnt a good prognosis in the first place. Then you blast that region with radiation, not just a little, but a tremendous amount. Chemo doesnt even work on testicular cancer I understand. Add in more chemo for brain cancer and your body should be a total mess, let alone be a weekend athlete, but you go on to be the best cyclist in the world with one testicle and no help?
So add in to this equation, that he tells star girlfriend that he doesnt want anymore kids. New girlfriend after that one, now has not one but today child number 2 fully naturally, not artificially. Said frozen sperm from years ago are still untouched. My math doesnt work here. Miracles involved? I had thyroid cancer, my T level is wacked out and below the scale low. How does this individual return to the top of the sport, have more kids, and claim everything is all perfect again? There are hundred of thousands of other men that cant even have kids after going through the same thing. I have read statistics online that show 50/50 odds of sperm production, but not to trust to not have birth defects. Should saint precede Armstrong? Or does a third child create the third miracle?

Editor in chief?

 

[python]

Well, what you're saying has been clear from the beginning, but I'm just not sure what you're point is.

You don't seem to be just marveling at the LA myth. Are you saying that all of these things (i.e. cancer survivin', clean TdF winnin', and babe up-knockin') are so improbable they can't all be true? That maybe Lance is a kind of cycling Manchurian candidate?

Tell the truth: are you Jesse Ventura?

the op can speak for himself but his point seems clear to me - chemical enhancements accompanied all the 'miracle'.

personally, i can not speak to armstrong's reproductive or cancer surviving issues.

nor do i care much how armstrong procreates. all i know is that the evidence of texas doping to his tour wins is overwhelming. wouldn't be surprized if he succeeded in those other areas, at least in part, for the same reason - superior chemical advisors.

this matter is for the medical professionals to address and i agree has little to do with cycling.

 

[Wolves-Lower]

When did Sperm and Reproduction become Clinic material?

 

[python]

When did Sperm and Reproduction become Clinic material?

agreed. but in a well meant mix of sarcasm and reality, didn't you read that endurance cycling suppresses sperm count... just as the exo-t suppresses own testosterone levels ?

a connection can always be found if one tries hard enough

 

[PotentialPro]

agreed. but in a well meant mix of sarcasm and reality, didn't you read that endurance cycling suppresses sperm count... just as the exo-t suppresses own testosterone levels ?

a connection can always be found if one tries hard enough

Thank you for catching on. Not only is there this stress on the system from years of riding, but so soon everyone forgets pictures of him in the hospital bed post surgery, and in the middle of treatment. He was bald was he not? Not purely from shaving, but precipitated from chemo and radiation therapy that make your hair fall out in clumps. Then you shave it. Yes indeed he had massive doses of radiation, you dont bypass that in stage 2 cancers.

The math adds up based on these improbabilities. Im just trying to point out a different angle here. To go through such rigorous medical treatment, to the point that your reproductive health is impacted and you donate with that expectation in mind. Then within a year, you are on a bike, and doing well again? Highly unlikely, and perhaps some of those tests that are further in question now back up additional and ongoing treatments, giving benefit of the doubt. What better excuse than than recovering from cancer, bone marrow issues, and to use procrit, and other drugs specifically for cancer patients?

 

[thehog]

"I'm sorry for you. I’m sorry that you can’t dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles."

"Do you think I'd put that junk in my body after what I've been though? After Cancer? After the treatments? You've got to be kidding - no I do not use performance enhancing drugs. Never ever. How can it be any clearer than that?"