How is the idiocy of climbers today different than the idiocy of Mallory and Irvine (who are both still on Everest)?Nick C. said:You have got to be kidding me. Mallory, Irvine, Tenzig Norgay and Hillary must be rolling in their graves at the sight of this.
It's not the actual climbers who are being called out here. It's the amateur non-climbers and the people who take their money to put them on the Everest.AlpineClimbr said:
It's the reckless manner of some of the so called 'guides' and agencies that put clients at risk when there is no reason.AlpineClimbr said:
If you ever have the chance to watch The Wildest Dream* do so.AlpineClimbr said:Sandy Irvine was 22 yrs old with minimal mountaineering experience when George Mallory chose to lead him to the top of Everest. He was selected because he knew how to fix the oxygen sets they were carrying. He paid the ultimate price for the experience.
Don't get me started on Lotoja. Now days if I bump into someone "training" for Lotoja it always turns out they are doing the relay and their other big event is the MS150 in Cache Valley. After doing the freaking relay these clowns will put a Lotoja sticker on the back window of their vehicle. It is just sad.kielbasa said:Reminds me of Lotoja and just about every IM triathlon. Ah, the humanity!
Very nicely said mewmewmew13.mewmewmew13 said:It's the reckless manner of some of the so called 'guides' and agencies that put clients at risk when there is no reason.
Many of these clients are not really climbers, no experience...
They pay their huge fees and the Sherpas do the grunt work...then the paying 'climbers' are clipped into ropes and led up into the wilds of altitude and dangerous terrain.
It is a very 'circus-like' atmosphere at times with the trains of people shuffling in lines as if on an elevator. Some reach the summit only to stand in line with dozens of others waiting to 'jug' back down the mt...usually much harder to go down after depleting everything to have gone up.
There is a HUGE difference between experienced climbers who have trained and climbed for years and go a peak using their own skills and judgement..vs the people who want to 'tick' Everest off their bucket list and pay a huge fee to have someone drag them up.
As the article tries to clarify...there are reputable guide services and then there are the shady ones in it for the money..no respect for the mountain or human lives.
Thismewmewmew13 said:This has been going on for YEARS Bro...
what really makes my blood boil are the Sherpas who are hired to do the dirty work of setting up the ropes, then get killed by icefall or avalanches because the rich clients insisted they do the job without regard to the conditions.
And this.silverrocket said:Going up Everest on a fixed rope, or with supplemental oxygen, isn't climbing Everest, but there isn't any room for those that want to climb the highest mountain "just because it's there". It is now just a mountain to climb for the ego trip.
I dunno, these ambitious, wealthy (or at least big-spending), unfit novices w/ unrealistic expectations to summit a peak like Everest sound like delicious prospective clientele that are simply ripe for the picking. Setting up a "cut-rate" outfitting co. to lead these lambs to slaughter...I mean guide them up the mtn...allows one to fill a void in the marketplace and simply scoop up piles of cash left behind by soon-to-be-dead climbers who have no business strapping on crampons - let alone climbing Everest - in the first place.mewmewmew13 said:This has been going on for YEARS Bro...
I know Lakhpa Rita...my husband used to be a Himalayan mt guide..and the atrocities commited on the big peaks have always been astounding by a few with thin scruples.
There is too much money involved and intertwined with folks with huge egos and ambition....a dangerous combo...
Doesn't really make sense to me. Why should those "pseudo-climbers" have the power to spoil your life-long dream of climbing Everest? If they don't belong there in the first place and only are on the mtn b/c they basically bought there way up on the back of a Sherpa, then I would hardly think you'd consider them legitimate "competitors" for the honor of summitting Everest and you could pay them no mind except to speak as disparagingly and cruelly about them as I have in the post.silverrocket said:The thing that bothers me, as a mountaineer, is that I've spent my life dreaming about climbing Everest, to follow in the footsteps of the legends, but also accomplish something significant, but now that dream has evaporated because of too many pseudo-climbers...