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If Armstrong Doped, Teammates say they Saw Nothing

Jul 22, 2009
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JOHN LEICESTER The Associated Press
Friday, October 1, 2010


PARIS (AP) — For Lance Armstrong, it became a tradition.

On the triumphant last day of his Tour de France victories, the champion cyclist and his teammates celebrated by riding past chattering crowds and the leafy trees that line Paris' most famous boulevard, the Champs-Elysees. They radiated bonhomie, smiling and sometimes waving star-spangled banners. Armstrong and Co., the scene suggested, was one big and happy cycling family.

Reality, however, was not so cut-and-dried.

Even with riders who were integral to Armstrong's unprecedented run of seven consecutive Tour wins, the single-minded Texan remained somewhat aloof. His teammates watched Armstrong's back on France's sun-seared roads, elbowed aside rival teams, carried his water bottles, shared meals, bus trips, and helped to construct the story of the cancer survivor who tamed cycling's most mythic race. But, some of them also say, they never got to intimately know the man in the winner's yellow jersey. After they and the crowds went home, some never had much contact with Armstrong again.

That contrast between the public and guarded sides of the man who revolutionized France's storied race with his modern American ways could become a hurdle for U.S. investigators trying to corroborate allegations from Floyd Landis. One of 23 support riders without whom Armstrong might not have won so many Tours, Landis claims that doping was part-and-parcel of being on his teams and that Armstrong cheated, too.



Odd how you have all these ex-riders who've gotten busted for doping, yet no-one saw anything ???
 
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Priceless.

Another rider, Spaniard Roberto Heras, refused to discuss Landis' doping allegations. "I have nothing to say. It is an ugly subject, a disagreeable subject and I don't want to talk about it. It is respectable to not talk about it," Heras says.
 
There's gotta be a contract deal when signing for this team, that is somehow more important to riders than betraying their own mother. At what price does they silence come, or what is the price if they fail to be silent?
Even the European riders that doped themselves, wow...interesting moral.
 
Does anyone remember the racial discrimination suit filed against Exxon years ago?

The executives of the company-the lawyers, upper management, etc., all from basically the same intellectual gene pool-the Harvards, Princetons and Yales of the United Stated educational system, were recorded calling black employees of the company "black jelly beans" and reminded each other to make sure they should not rise to far up the corporate ladder because that was their domain.

No one would believe that people such as this, our supposed best and brightest, our captains of industry, would actually sit around talking this way about such an abhorrent subject. And if it weren't recorded, to a man everyone in that room would have denied the conversation ever taking place.

The same goes with cycling. Protection of the status quo is of the essence for the system to self-perpetuate, from riders like Armstrong all the way down to the nobodies who rode alongside him.

They all have a vested interest in keeping their mouths shut, out of fear of retribution, being blackballed or just because it's easier to lie and deny than to just say nothing. In many ways, silence is seen as an effort to hide the truth.

So they lie, because it's easier than just saying nothing.

According to this article, it sounds as if there is a groundswell of support for Armstrong in the form of riders who rode with him saying they never saw anything. But none of the riders questioned for the article have received subpoenas from the Feds. Roberto Heras is one guy who has many skeletons in the closet, and for the life of me I don't understand why he wouldn't just start singing.

He was effectively blackballed from the sport after his 2-year ban was up. No one would touch him. Why only he knows. If Armstrong truly was vindictive enough to have anything to do with this, then Heras owes him and the sport of cycling nothing.

But he'd rather go to his grave and swallow the truth. This silence says more about the type of amoral characters in cycling than the actual doping does.
 
Berzin said:
Does anyone remember the racial discrimination suit filed against Exxon years ago?
It was actually Texaco. Powerful article for anyone who wishes to read it.

Not that Exxon is likely much different. Here's what you see whenever any of the board of directors of any of these large firms come out of hiding:

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Sorry for the digression. Carry on.
 
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I really don't see this article as anything more than planned statements and non-denials. None of these guys are in a position where they will ever need to tell the truth.

A real article would quote people with something to lose by not telling the truth.
 
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NashbarShorts said:
Boys, play nice :eek:

Is it just me, or did it sound like Meinert-Nielsen was reading off a cue card??

I imagine it with more of a Colnel Klink-type accent: "I zee nothinks! I know nothinks! Herr Furher is de boss...".
 
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Just more of the same...
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most of this latest batch of cheerleaders

. . . a bunch of people NOT involved in the current investigations, most of whom were NOT part of the inner circle, who saw nothing.

To those of us who know something about cycling . . . YAWN

To the LA-worshiping masses . . . more indisputable proof of their savior's cleanliness
 
Berzin said:
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.... Roberto Heras is one guy who has many skeletons in the closet, and for the life of me I don't understand why he wouldn't just start singing.

He was effectively blackballed from the sport after his 2-year ban was up. No one would touch him. Why only he knows. If Armstrong truly was vindictive enough to have anything to do with this, then Heras owes him and the sport of cycling nothing.

But he'd rather go to his grave and swallow the truth. This silence says more about the type of amoral characters in cycling than the actual doping does.
It is called Statute of Limitations.

If he talks he is risking his two Vueltas a España.

The limitations I believe are for 8 years. He won in 2003 and 2004. The only one that would be safe is the one from 2000.
 
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Escarabajo said:
It is called Statute of Limitations.

If he talks he is risking his two Vueltas a España.

The limitations I believe are for 8 years. He won in 2003 and 2004. The only one that would be safe is the one from 2000.

Is that an official UCI statute, or an American legal statute?
 
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For the record, they should add Andreu to the list of those who "didn't see anything". The article mentions his "confession" to using EPO but doesn't mention that in the same interview he said that he had never seen Armstrong use any banned substances.
 
washedup said:
I really don't see this article as anything more than planned statements and non-denials. None of these guys are in a position where they will ever need to tell the truth.

A real article would quote people with something to lose by not telling the truth.

Precisely. Funny how all those guys are not from the US.
 
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Yes they will say they saw nothing in "public" to protect their own interest's. Of
course they will. They want no part of it. To them it is history. That is their train of thought. Their cognition's. That is the way they want it. It is more likely that one would get struck by a bolt of lightning and won the lottery in the same day than it would be for one of these guys to hold up their hand and declare "Yes we seen it". " Yes we did it also ". In a hypothetical situation where Jeff Novitzkay came knocking on their door's would they take on a different Mentality with the law breathing down their back's ?