Is George going to be sanctioned ?

[tubularglue]

With admission, why is he still racing ?

 

[jmax22]

Probably received an immunity deal for telling all he knows.

 

[TERMINATOR]

With admission, why is he still racing ?

Please show me a link to a quote from Hincapie where he admitted anything. All you have are second and third party people saying Hincapie said it.

Besides, USADA can't get their hands on grand jury testimony and USADA will likely offer Hincapie some major form of immunity if he implicates Lance. Anyone who implicates Lance will be offered considerable concessions in a USADA/WADA sanction.

 

[MarkvW]

Better Question

We don't know if George's testimony will ever be released to the general public. At any event, George will be retired before any sanction can be implemented.

 

[theswordsman]

One of the many complaints that Lance's lawyers put forward last year was that the USADA was offering sweetheart deals in exchange for testimony.

Hincapie hasn't denied making the statements. He said he didn't talk to 60 Minutes, he can't discuss anything about the ongoing investigation, and he doesn't know how 60 Minutes knew what he said to the grand jury. It makes sense that if he came out yesterday and said, "I doped" the UCI would yank him off his bike. The USADA has an active role in the investigation. Travis Tygart flew along with Novitsky an FBI Special Agent and someone else to the meetings with law enforcement at Interpol in Lyons France.

- Lance Armstrong's attorneys say the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency is offering cyclists a "sweetheart deal" if they testify or provide evidence that the seven-time Tour de France winner cheated by doping.

If those riders have been caught doping, the deal from USADA could result in a reduced ban from competition and other incentives, attorney Tim Herman told The Associated Press on Monday.

Armstrong's attorneys say USADA's current offer is for riders to talk to federal investigator Jeff Novitzky, who could then give the information to USADA. A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

Presumably, the alleged deal would only be worthwhile for riders who are still competing or young enough to return to competition if a ban was lifted.

Herman said he could not disclose which rider or riders have been offered a deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5431631

Having felt the vitriol and invective directed at those who must bear the scarlet “D” for being exposed, I met with USADA and pled with them to subject none of my former colleagues to this opprobrium but rather to offer confidentiality and immunity to those who came clean and who offered a glimpse into the corruption within cycling. In return for turning on many of my former friends and colleagues I was assured that they’d be granted lenience and never have to suffer for my actions or theirs. Indeed in recent discussions I’ve learned that many of them have chosen to clear their conscience and have confirmed to USADA many of the allegations that I’ve made which were written off by the perpetrators of the fraud as “sour milk.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...-defense-against-uci-defamation-claims_171051

A lot of these discussions can go away after Sunday night, because this is 60 Minutes. There's no one I trust more to get the story right.

 

[dbrower]

A lot of these discussions can go away after Sunday night, because this is 60 Minutes. There's no one I trust more to get the story right.

Look, I appreciate the sentiment, but 60-minutes is not omniscient, and they have a record of occasionally making big blunders. You'd like to think they've learned from their historical mistakes, and they might be pretty good, but I'm not sure I trust anyone to get such a story "right". The closer I've ever been to real news, the less any reports I've seen have seemed to the reality I experienced.

At the same time, you don't ever want to be the bad guy in one of their non-puff piece stories, and you don't want to walk in to an interview and find out it isn't a puff-piece story they are doing on you.

-dB

 

[flicker]

With admission, why is he still racing ?

let me explain something.the whole thing that you read about hincapie and armstrong is yellow journalism.it pollutes any kind of case against armstrong. if it was true it should never have been exposed to the public.who exposed what hincapie supposedly said?
But carry on this is only a blogsite and no one reads it....LOL
By the way i prefer clementi.

 

[TERMINATOR]

let me explain something.the whole thing that you read about hincapie and armstrong is yellow journalism.it pollutes any kind of case against armstrong. if it was true it should never have been exposed to the public.who exposed what hincapie supposedly said?
But carry on this is only a blogsite and no one reads it....LOL
By the way i prefer clementi.

Why is this yellow journalism? And why is the source of the leak this huge source of consternation for you and all the Lance lovers?

Somebody leaked it - who cares who and why is it so important to find out?

 

[flicker]

Why is this yellow journalism? And why is the source of the leak this huge source of consternation for you and all the Lance lovers?

Somebody leaked it - who cares who and why is it so important to find out?

you said it there, somebody leaked it.leaks like that sink ships, and i am not talking my lance's boat.if novitzky wants an airtight case, it is detrimental, the controversy,leaks,scamilton's 60 minutes, stricklands article, botany bay,the hog's etc. forum slander.
hey but keep it up and i will join up with my handorgan. I will bet novitzky will be dancing a jig when polish joins in on the piccolo.

 

[filipo]

...case, it is detrimental, the controversy,leaks,scamilton's 60 minutes, stricklands article, botany bay,the hog's etc. forum slander.
.

Hey -- whatever happened to Botany Bay? Did he get banned or did he bail?

 

[Benotti69]

Well BMC might sanction him like Ballan and Santambrogio while they pretend to have an internal investigation....

 

[zigmeister]

With admission, why is he still racing ?

I always love these threads and the person hasn't even replied to these rumors...then they come out and say...BS. Hincapie said hever never told the FDA anything related to Lance, it is all nonsense as usual.

As far as his testimony, grand jury testimony is supposed to be entirely confidential. So how any of this crap gets out is either a direct violation of the law and court proceedings, or just flag waving to get attention to....gasp...selll books by Hamilton's publisher.

 

[Benotti69]

So Hamilton has a book to publish, strange as there is absolutely no sign of it and where's all the publicity from the publisher and his PR cashing in on all this free publicity.

More LIESTRONG speak. Destroy the truth before is destroys you. Bit too late now

 

[hektoren]

Why is this yellow journalism? And why is the source of the leak this huge source of consternation for you and all the Lance lovers?

Somebody leaked it - who cares who and why is it so important to find out?

It should be of importance for us Lance-haters as well, as a procedural blunder by the Grand Jury might jeopardize the entire process. Wouldn't you just hate to see the entire Armstrong-entourage walk away laughing, on a technicality??? I know I would.

 

[ElChingon]

So Hamilton has a book to publish, strange as there is absolutely no sign of it and where's all the publicity from the publisher and his PR cashing in on all this free publicity.

More LIESTRONG speak. Destroy the truth before is destroys you. Bit too late now

Yea, if you tow the line, writing a book is only to gain publicity and money. So how many books has Lance written

Hincapie hasn't tested positive yet and hasn't released any grand jury info, yet. So off to race he goes.

 

[McClimber]

SO and IF George is a EPO user that will be a big bombshell to land on cycling. HUGE.

If GH dopes, they all dope.

Don't kid yourself that this investigation will end on a technicality of a little leak. Not going to happen. That **** happens all the time.

Every defendant want to get off on technicalities but it rarely happens.

If it is true, it doesn't go away.

This hasn't even gotten to a trial phase (years ahead).

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If anything, Hincapie should be sanctioned for having 20 years of pro racing experience and the tactical acumen of a junior.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

SO and IF George is a EPO user that will be a big bombshell to land on cycling. HUGE.

If GH dopes, they all dope.

Don't kid yourself that this investigation will end on a technicality of a little leak. Not going to happen. That **** happens all the time.

Every defendant want to get off on technicalities but it rarely happens.

If it is true, it doesn't go away.

This hasn't even gotten to a trial phase (years ahead).

Hincapie is well-known to have been one of the biggest dopers in the pro ranks. Please stop with the "If GH dopes..."

These guys don't test positive for the same reason you don't find out if you have a loose stem bolt by checking your tire pressure.

 

[dbrower]

I always love these threads and the person hasn't even replied to these rumors...then they come out and say...BS. Hincapie said hever never told the FDA anything related to Lance, it is all nonsense as usual.

He never said that; he said he had not talked to 60 Minutes.

As far as his testimony, grand jury testimony is supposed to be entirely confidential. So how any of this crap gets out is either a direct violation of the law and court proceedings, or just flag waving to get attention to....gasp...selll books by Hamilton's publisher.

A Grand Jury witness can tell anyone he likes about his experience. Whether he chooses to is a tactical decision.

Hamilton decided there was not enough downside to talking to stay quiet.

Hincapie, who is still trying to race, has decided it's better to keep his public lip zipped, for now.

I'm more surprised to see Hamilton talk than for Hincapie to stay silent, for now.

(If there are indictments, the GJ testimony will come out, but that is later in the game.)

-dB

 

[rata de sentina]

I always love these threads

I love these threads too. Especially the comic interludes supplied by your good self and your fellow travellers.

 

[Berzin]

Hincapie is well-known to have been one of the biggest dopers in the pro ranks. Please stop with the "If GH dopes..."

I never divulged this info for the sake of not wanting to come across like some lunatic hater, but Big George was rumored to have been doping ever since he was a young lad in NYC. I know the scene well here, and I am well-versed in the various international pipelines guys utilize to bring stuff into the country to sell and use.

Hincapie's family and friends who would travel back and forth to Colombia would bring stuff back and he'd use it with the knowledge of his father.

Testosterone, corticosteroids and vitamin B shots. The stuff in Colombia is cheap and it's never a problem getting it through customs.

The perception is since George is a nice guy, a guy many would let date their sister, he could never stoop this low.

This is why as full of crap as many of these pro riders are, their fanboys and apologists are worse.

Level playing field...some of you don't know what a level playing field is because one doesn't exist.

 

[Frosty]

Hincapie's family and friends who would travel back and forth to Colombia would bring stuff back and he'd use it with the knowledge of his father.

Testosterone, corticosteroids and vitamin B shots. The stuff in Colombia is cheap and it's never a problem getting it through customs.

I would have thought that flights back from Colombia would be heavily checked? Or are they too busy concentrating on stronger stuff?

 

[wirral]

Say nothing. Hang on till the end of the season or at least till after the Tour. Retire. Get sanctioned. There's the Hincapie strategy.

 

[Benotti69]

Say nothing. Hang on till the end of the season or at least till after the Tour. Retire. Get sanctioned. There's the Hincapie strategy.

depends what happens over the next few weeks and months. ASO might not want him riding their premier event. So if he gets dropped from that his season is over, he's hardly gonna stick it out all the way to Lombardia.

I'd be interested to hear what Evans thinks of old George, but then i reckon Evans knows the score. He is after all riding for the new phonak team.

 

[Berzin]

I would have thought that flights back from Colombia would be heavily checked? Or are they too busy concentrating on stronger stuff?

Yes, they are heavily checked, like you wouldn't believe, but steroids don't seem to register unless one is obviously smuggling a huge shipment for resale. Usually it's one cat getting vials for one or two other cats back in the states or just for personal use.

At the airport they look for the obvious-cocaine and other drugs, whatever smugglers are smuggling these days.

The agents will look at what you are carrying, vials of whatever it is, then set the stuff to the side and continue their work. They don't care about steroids or vitamin B injections.

The worst they can do is confiscate the stuff, but the reality is all you have to do is carry a prescription from a Colombian doctor and you are home-free. And even this step is considered being overly cautious. Usually you can just give them a verbal explanation and you're off. That's in the rare instance that the officials decide to make a big deal out of it, which is something I've never heard them do in the years I've been privvy to this type of trafficking.

Here is the breakdown-

Vitamin B-anemia or vitamin B deficiency.

HgH-growth deficiency due to tumor/disease.

Testosterone-body produces insufficient amount due to chronic disease or old age.

Corticosteroids-skin condition, allergies, asthma, chronic pain, basically anything you can think of.