Isaac Del Toro - cracking makes him stronger????

[Ilmaestro99]

Yesterday the elastic snapped on De Toro in this giro, he barely held the pink

Less than 24 hours later he's the strongest rider of the race in the mountains. Attacking and chasing everything from kilometre 0. Then winning the stage!!!!

We say before that gianetti can get a 21 years old to win a GT against the best riders in the world.

It seemed that cracking yesterday after 8 days in pink only made de Toro stronger than ever.


Is difficult to see again this gianetti hegemony

 

[zlev11]

he just isn't as suited to the long climbs, i think he'll get dropped again on friday and saturday

 

[Rackham]

Visma put too much effort into getting riders in the break instead of focusing on what would make Del Toro break, which was a strong pace on the front of the bunch on Mortirolo.

Technically he should fold on Friday and Saturday but Simon Yates seems useless here, as does Carapaz to a slightly lesser degree. It's a weak field now.

Edit: naturally he's doped to the gills but his win today owed to the ineptitude of his rivals as much as his own miraculous recovery.

 

[zlev11]

eh i think carapaz is going to roast him on finestre

 

[ashhutch1997]

Tbf he was dropped on the Mortirolo and this type of finish suits him. But I'm sure Dracula Gianetti has something cooking.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yesterday the elastic snapped on De Toro in this giro, he barely held the pink

Less than 24 hours later he's the strongest rider of the race in the mountains. Attacking and chasing everything from kilometre 0. Then winning the stage!!!!

We say before that gianetti can get a 21 years old to win a GT against the best riders in the world.

It seemed that cracking yesterday after 8 days in pink only made de Toro stronger than ever.


Is difficult to see again this gianetti hegemony

Uae seems to think that Carapaz is better on the long climbs.
That said, they changed his small chainring size at the last minute for yesterday's stage, 40t instead of his usual 38t, while keeping the same cassette. He got Ayuso's set up, while prefering a higher cadence.
Source: https://www.bicidastrada.it/colnago-v5rs-di-del-toro-pedivelle-cortissime/
And the article actually came out 2 days ago, so it's not so revisionism, just UAE being incompetent in all not clinic related stuff...

 

[Rackham]

If we're really going all in on the foul play today, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious on the conspiracy scale that UAE gave Polti some sort of backhander to pull behind the breakaway because they wanted the stage with Del Toro.

 

[Mayomaniac]

If we're really going all in on the foul play today, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious on the conspiracy scale that UAE gave Polti some sort of backhander to pull behind the breakaway because they wanted the stage with Del Toro.

Pct teams spite-pulling because they missed the break is nothing new...

 

[Rackham]

Pct teams spite-pulling because they missed the break is nothing new...

Down to the last man on the Mortirolo as well? Ha.

 

[pelotonIQ]

According to your logic if a rider has a bad day and performs better the next day, he's doping?

Toro has yet to win GC and people already questioning him...

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Toro has yet to win GC and people already questioning him...

Only GC winners are questionable?

 

[pelotonIQ]

Only GC winners are questionable?

Depends on the context and what type of rider that is being discussed.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

Depends on the context and what type of rider that is being discussed.

What if the context is that it's a 21-year-old riding for two of the most notoriously suspicious managers who have a recorded history of doping not only themselves but also their riders?

 

[Red Rick]

Every rider who makes a big jump at a big stage like the Giro gets a thread in the Clinic if they don't already have one.

It's a rite of passage, if you're a cyclist without a Clinic thread then who the *** are you really?

 

[pelotonIQ]

What if the context is that it's a 21-year-old riding for two of the most notoriously suspicious managers who have a recorded history of doping not only themselves but also their riders?

You're free to believe that every rider that races in a UAE kit is a doper and I'm free to laugh at such absurdity. I could understand why some suspect Pogacar of doping but going against Toro at this point is, pure paranoia.

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

... but going against Toro at this point is, pure paranoia.

Firstly, why?

Secondly, that's the price you pay as a rider when you make the decision to work for Gianetti and Matxin, just like everybody asked questions about riders working for Riis. Maybe you're not outright guilty by association, but at the very least, you'll be suspicious by association. That's both to be expected and completely fair given the history of Gianetti, Matxin, and Riis.

 

[pelotonIQ]

If we're really going all in on the foul play today, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious on the conspiracy scale that UAE gave Polti some sort of backhander to pull behind the breakaway because they wanted the stage with Del Toro.

Polti missed the break and was chasing it back. This is normally what happens when a team misses the break.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Firstly, why?

Secondly, that's the price you pay as a rider when you make the decision to work for Gianetti and Matxin, just like everybody asked questions about riders working for Riis. Maybe you're not outright guilty by association, but at the very least, you'll be suspicious by association. That's both to be expected and completely fair given the history of Gianetti, Matxin, and Riis.

Because the person I originally responded to insinuated that Toro is doping because he recovered from a bad day. Everyone in the peloton has recovered from bad days in their career's, does that make them dopers or warrant doping suspicions?

 

[Unchained]

Because the person I originally responded to insinuated that Toro is doping because he recovered from a bad day. Everyone in the peloton has recovered from bad days in their career's, does that make them dopers or warrant doping suspicions?

You seem to have a personal vendetta against Gianetti and Matxin and only UCI can help you with that. I'm sure they have an anonymous tip-off e-mail you can contact and present your evidence to why you think UAE runs systematic doping programs and as for the young riders that sign for UAE, I don't think they care about what online strangers think of them when they realize their dreams of becoming professional riders.

Teams are very very careful about rest days in general, UAE management, including today commenting on Del Toro having additional responsibilities that come with pink,white, jersey, stage win, it means he has to do 90-120 minutes more per day for podium and press conferences.
Del Toro might have needed more mileage on Monday, but team said no and maybe his substandard Tuesday was a result of a too easy rest Monday.
Many riders are like that, body doesn't like having too much time off, too easy of a day. So Del Toro tanks on Tuesday, has a short spurt on Wednesday which included a stage win, he beat but didn't destroy Carapaz or Bardet.
Today he rolled in at @10 minutes, nobody tried anything sneaky. Tomorrow is a test for sure, but Del Toro is hardly dominating that pro dope crowd is leaning on..people can't really stay on message.. Pogacar is doping because he crashed, got back up, chased, won. And now Del Toro has an average day and a very good @6 kilometers and that means he doped. No mention about a mostly quiet few years from Bardet, no claims that Carapaz is gassed despite going away alone, winning a stage, and jumping off for multiple days, including with Del Toro on Wednesday.
And now gravel circus stage that crashed many favorites, 11 days of press conferences and podium ceremonies, Del Toro is coming off as exhausted not springing around with boundless energy.
I don't think people know the damage they do to the sport and themselves by just making doping claims, just because. Doping is a problem in sport..including horse and pigeon racing!! But in cycling context, if there is widespread doping, all the focus should be on UCI not riders or teams, because UCI is the only thing in common.
If Carapaz,Del Toro, Pogacar, half dozen others are getting a free pass, has to be UCI coordinating with multiple riders,racers, teams and countries.

 

[Gratemans]

Because the person I originally responded to insinuated that Toro is doping because he recovered from a bad day. Everyone in the peloton has recovered from bad days in their career's, does that make them dopers or warrant doping suspicions?

Absolutely not. And I don't even think it was extraordinary recovery either. The stage just fit him infinitely better than the one from the previous day.
However, AttaquedeRolland made a very fair point imo you didn't adress: riders working for Gianetti and Marcin aren't automatically guilty, but are certainly more suspicious.

 

[Unchained]

Absolutely not. And I don't even think it was extraordinary recovery either. The stage just fit him infinitely better than the one from the previous day.
However, AttaquedeRolland made a very fair point imo you didn't adress: riders working for Gianetti and Marcin aren't automatically guilty, but are certainly more suspicious.

It's weird that even when he announced his exit contract, Marc Hirschi had a long winning streak at the end of his team affiliation, nobody said anything. Del Toro rides a few ,not very steep kilometers and he is suspect.. So Gianetti has had UAE gig since 2017 not much controversy.

 

[Gratemans]

It's weird that even when he announced his exit contract, Marc Hirschi had a long winning streak at the end of his team affiliation, nobody said anything. Del Toro rides a few ,not very steep kilometers and he is suspect.. So Gianetti has had UAE gig since 2017 not much controversy.

To be clear: I'm not accusing Del Toro of anything.

I do agree however with AttaqueRolland's statement that when you choose to ride for a certain teams, you shouldn't be surprised or offended when people are going to ask questions.
I also want to clearly state that UAE obviously aren't the only team being run by people with a "clinical history".

 

[hfer07]

Del Toro's attacks on the last climb seemed soo........ motorized?

 

[AttaqueDeRolland]

If del Toro keeps this up, he'll be the third youngest Giro winner in history. Pogi was, of course, the second youngest Tour winner when he shocked the world in 2020. So, in very few years, Gianetti and Matxin will have produced two historically young Grand Tour winners - and Ayuso has been close enough as well - and we're supposed to just act like everything is perfectly normal? Absolute clown show.

 

[AmRacer]

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