Jeff Novitzky on Joe Rogan's Podcast

[Parrulo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7IqzwgGeU

Novitzky is now doing some work for the mma promotion UFC as they are starting to work with USADA on their anti doping program.

From what Rogan has been saying over his last few podcasts Novitzky may have some very interesting stuff to say regarding Froome, Armstrong and cycling in general.

I assume they will also talk about mma (seems obvious with it being Novitzky now working together with the UFC and Joe Rogan being the UFC main colour commentator) which for me is fine as i like it but if you don't like it you may find those parts a bit boring.

Anyway i really wanted to listen to all of this and point the most interesting cycling related parts but i am leaving for some vacations in 2 hours so i don't have the time right now so sorry for that.

 

[Enrico Gimondi]

I buzzed through it. It's 99% about MMA and baseball. No real talk about cycling. So if you want to listen to it for cycling purposes, there's no need to listen.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I buzzed through it. It's 99% about MMA and baseball. No real talk about cycling. So if you want to listen to it for cycling purposes, there's no need to listen.

Thanks!

 

[Dalakhani]

[quote="From what Rogan has been saying over his last few podcasts Novitzky may have some very interesting stuff to say regarding Froome, Armstrong and cycling in general. [/quote]

What's Rogan been saying about this?

Also, do you remember which episodes mentioned Froome?

 

[blackcat]

Rogan has some bits here and there that are relevant, but he is one of those media people who dissemble and diversion(tactic) and obfuscate. But fans confer an authority to him, when he just seeks to bleed a little bit of information, to seek a credibility.

He aint. I would be 100% sure if you rohypnol/roofalin'ed him up he would admit that he took roids, that Dana took roids, and every fighter takes roids or some testo or other PED.

But he won't, cos he part of the establishment /grammar

***not impressed.

no need to watch folks

 

[red_flanders]

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Rogan has some bits here and there that are relevant, but he is one of those media people who dissemble and diversion(tactic) and obfuscate. But fans confer an authority to him, when he just seeks to bleed a little bit of information, to seek a credibility.

He aint. I would be 100% sure if you rohypnol/roofalin'ed him up he would admit that he took roids, that Dana took roids, and every fighter takes roids or some testo or other PED.

But he won't, cos he part of the establishment /grammar

***not impressed.

no need to watch folks

I LOL'd last time I saw Rogan on TV. His head is approaching Barry Bonds status. He's as 'roided up as it gets.

 

[whittashau]

As I said in the Caruso thread the thing from the podcast that stood out for me was he mentioned that a test formulated for a new kind kind of EPO had just caught a rider (Caruso), and that they're now using that to test to old samples.

And Blackcat - that is one of the dumbest things you've ever said. Rogan is a comedian and a pod-caster first of all. He says things all the time that don't fit the "establishment" view. The only reason he hasn't been fired from the UFC is because he is an institution in MMA. He has flat out said he thinks 80+% of the UFC has taken something at some point. Among many other things including insulting the new UFC reebox deal. The dude himself is on TRT and HGH, and has admitted as such

Anyway, back to cycling. The most interesting thing I had heard was on another of Rogan's podcasts and he mentioned speaking to a drug official (clearly Novitzky) and being told a story of a a testing official arriving at a hotel, seeing a team member in the lobby who proceeds to jump on the phone, and when the tester arrives at the riders room they had like 5 saline drips inserted. Clearly this was pre-IV ban, but still a crazy story.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Rogan has some bits here and there that are relevant, but he is one of those media people who dissemble and diversion(tactic) and obfuscate. But fans confer an authority to him, when he just seeks to bleed a little bit of information, to seek a credibility.

He aint. I would be 100% sure if you rohypnol/roofalin'ed him up he would admit that he took roids, that Dana took roids, and every fighter takes roids or some testo or other PED.

But he won't, cos he part of the establishment /grammar

***not impressed.

no need to watch folks

I LOL'd last time I saw Rogan on TV. His head is approaching Barry Bonds status. He's as 'roided up as it gets.

I reckon if he was eating well, and in the gym everyday, that could be natural, and those peptides that pique your own pituitary and excrete the endogenous HGH and testo. Do I think that tho? I give you one hint or one guess, or chance...

but he does spend a fair bit or whack of time in the ring and do the Brazilian jujitsu and other martial arts. so fair cop to him.

See: Dana White. That guy. He now has the 42 inch chest as a short @rse, Definitely roiding, the principal of the UFC. And the Italian brothers who own it in Vegas, check them out.

The only reason they are getting the testing more rigorous is to protect the bottom line and make the "sport" more credible. They will still be doping, and just like the cycling, they gotta navigate the tests and testing to make it a more credible sport for the commercial revenues.

usually you can see the beard growth, the individual beard hairs, are just that little bit thicker, it is not perceptable to the naked eye unless trained.

need to look at lesbians or transgender female to male transition and sex status, see the testosterone hormone supplementation, and look at the beard growth. Ironic, it is actually more visible in those people with very small native beard growth, I could not grow a beard, but if you or on the hormone supplements, the less hairs on your face, they grow thicker, and they become quite obvious. I had to do a program of corticosteroids for a mallady. And whoopsy, all my cheeks started growing a beard, but individual hairs looked far thicker than a normal gauge,

 

[blackcat]

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And Blackcat - that is one of the dumbest things you've ever said. Rogan is a comedian and a pod-caster first of all. He says things all the time that don't fit the "establishment" view. The only reason he hasn't been fired from the UFC is because he is an institution in MMA. He has flat out said he thinks 80+% of the UFC has taken something at some point. Among many other things including insulting the new UFC reebox deal. The dude himself is on TRT and HGH, and has admitted as such

perception management.

he is "positioning" himself as outside the mainstream, an alternative voice. like Howard Stern, but their alternative is anything but, they just like to define themselves as alternative, but they are as apple pie as anyone else. Even tho Rogan may talk about dropping acid or MDMA or mushrooms, he is still regular media, giving the establishment and partisan line. He won't drop a bomb on the UFC and tell us the straight dope on PEDs. He still gives the motherhood statements like "BJ Penn no way he would dope he treats his body like a temple" and "GSP would not touch drugs it is against his very physicality and religion to take something".

Lots of BS from Rogan.

so I am right. Rogan=establishment

try again whittashau and come at me brah
but gimme somethin better to work with, too ezy 2 ezy

 

[blackcat]

Rogan and Andy D!ck might have been good in NewsRadio.

Did anyone notice the resemblance between Andy D!ck and Tyler Hamilton? Have they been seen in the same room together?

 

[whittashau]

He can't throw bombs. When he did by saying that he thought Fedor was juicing he almost got sued. He is about as honest and forthright as anyone sensible can expect him to be.

Plus, MMA isn't cycling. There is no stop-watch. What do you expect? For him to point the finger at the guys with the most cut abs?

 

[blackcat]

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He can't throw bombs. When he did by saying that he thought Fedor was juicing he almost got sued.

Fedor, the Emperor or whatever, Elmenenko or something? He Ukraine innit? Ukraine/Russian, whatevs


did you ask yourself why he potted this guy?

this guy was the guy that would not fight for Dana for a measly 7 figures flat, when he prolly could get 2mill or more in a free market. So he did his own co-promotion and the other organisation gave him a stake in their company.

That is why he went him. Cos he sat outside Dana and the UFC, and Dana knew if he paid big bucks for "brand Fedor" when Fedor brought a brand and was worth big money, then, he automatically changed his negotiating hand with all of his fighters, as UFC was the 99% of the value equation and the brand.

They did have those two fighers, the Huntington Beach bad boy, and the other guy who threw the overhand right who wore the blue boardshorts and had the interesting mohawk type 'do. And then the light heavywight guy who is about 44 and still fighting.

You wanna know why the drug testing?

The champion tall guy who has brothers in the NFL who has had some problems with coke in the last 18 months. That guy.

All the problems that he has, the Brazilian guy with the broken leg, and that old Heavyweight who came from the WWF and destroyed quite a few fighters. He had serious problems and was in ICU for a few weeks and lost about 55lbs in hospital.

So they need to put some restrictions of the doping and protect the fighters from themselves, but still allow them to dope a little bit within some restrictions.

That, but that is not the primary reason, the primary reason is perception management and to secure the revenues. Fox paid the dough for the Free To Air (or Cable rights) away from the Pay-per-View business model. I think they still juggle PPV and Fox cable rounds. But this was all about Dana being able to hold on to his broadcast partners and the revenues from the cable viewers. The PPV and people who attend the fights could not care less if people die in the cage.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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As I said in the Caruso thread the thing from the podcast that stood out for me was he mentioned that a test formulated for a new kind kind of EPO had just caught a rider (Caruso), and that they're now using that to test to old samples.

Did he specifically name Caruso and if so can you provide the quote?

My money would be on him actually talking about Taborre who was busted for EPO-in-a-pill - a drug that effectively imitates the effects of altitude by stimulating the production of EPO (which then stimulates the production of red cells). It was well reported when it happened, all the guy to do to be aware of it was read the news. The UCI did not announce they were doing retro testing for FG-4592 and they did not say that that was what Caruso went down for: they said he went down for EPO itself.

Anyway, back to cycling. The most interesting thing I had heard was on another of Rogan's podcasts and he mentioned speaking to a drug official (clearly Novitzky) and being told a story of a a testing official arriving at a hotel, seeing a team member in the lobby who proceeds to jump on the phone, and when the tester arrives at the riders room they had like 5 saline drips inserted. Clearly this was pre-IV ban, but still a crazy story.

You mentioned this on another thread. I asked there if the DCO handed out an on-the-spot ban as IVs have been banned for several years now. Which kind of tells you how old the story is. Actually, you could age it more: it's really just a tarted up version of the Nencini story told by Dumas (minus the cigarette in mouth) which many mistake as evidence of blood doping in the 1960s.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Novitzky did mention a number of things relevant to cycling. He said A-Rod was microdosing with a "fast-clearing" exogenous form of testosterone that was undetectable in a few (4-ish) hours. Which is perfectly suited to a sport that makes its athletes off-limits for PEDs testing for several hours each night, and in which anything to accelerate recovery is likely to be beneficial (bonus points for undetectable by morning). He also mentioned they've found a way to process animal testosterone into a human-usable form that thwarts the CIR test because the animal donor's Test has a different carbon isotope structure from human. And USADA now has an HGH test that can detect its use as much as a week after administration.

But if Novizky is stating this publicly, then the peloton obviously already knows it, and is using the knowledge to its best benefit.


If you don't like Joe Rogan, just remember this. Without him, Mike Goldberg would have no one to say "Absolutely!" to all night long.

 

[Nighttrain99]

I like Rogan's podcasts. He'll drop some provocative statements and brings in intersting guests from time to time. It's good listening while I'm spinning wrenches on our dirt bikes. Once or twice I've heard Rogan mention that testosterone treatments can be good medicine for improving the lifestyle of middle age men who want to stay active. I've never heard him advocate the use of it or other PEDS in competitive arenas, though. The recent show with Mike and Chris Bell was interesting with talk about steroids and the problem of prescription pain meds addictions rampant here in the U.S.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

I like Rogan's podcasts. He'll drop some provocative statements and brings in intersting guests from time to time. It's good listening while I'm spinning wrenches on our dirt bikes. Once or twice I've heard Rogan mention that testosterone treatments can be good medicine for improving the lifestyle of middle age men who want to stay active. I've never heard him advocate the use of it or other PEDS in competitive arenas, though. The recent show with Mike and Chris Bell was interesting with talk about steroids and the problem of prescription pain meds addictions rampant here in the U.S.

I agree with this. Rogan readily admits he's on TRT and other cocktails. He's always trying new stuff like cryotherapy.

He's on the inside of the UFC and from what he alludes to on his podcast a lot of fighters dope. I think it was getting so bad they had to bring in someone like Novitzky to stem the tide. Or at least give the appearance that they are attacking PEDs

Rogan also had Victor Conte on (Behind Balco) a few years ago. It was interesting as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzhD2QJ8B0

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

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fmk_RoI
Did he specifically name Caruso and if so can you provide the quote?

My money would be on him actually talking about Taborre who was busted for EPO-in-a-pill - a drug that effectively imitates the effects of altitude by stimulating the production of EPO (which then stimulates the production of red cells)....

Novitzky referred to a cyclist popped for taking "Oxygen in a pill" but couldn't recall the name. Hadda be Fabio Taborre and FG-4592.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Novitzky referred to a cyclist popped for taking "Oxygen in a pill" but couldn't recall the name. Hadda be Fabio Taborre and FG-4592.

So Novitsky's inside track to the the secret skinny on what's really going on in cycling turns out to be ... Cycling News. Well colour me surprised...

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh because the all american is cleans!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2607371-comedian-joe-rogan-on-the-pc-culture-war-and-his-future-with-the-ufc

B/R: Is it hard sometimes not to bring up things like drug suspensions and other negative things that rarely seem to make UFC broadcasts?

Rogan: One thing that you never hear me talk about during the broadcast is testosterone replacement therapy. I had to bite my f--king tongue when Vitor Belfort was fighting Chris Weidman because I think as a fan and as an analyst it is my job to point out issues with the sport, significant issues.

Like if someone had undergone a strength and conditioning routine and all the sudden they started putting on all this muscle and you started seeing them having better performances inside the Octagon, you'd say like, "Hey, Nate Diaz has really stepped up his strength and conditioning, and you can see the results physically in him and you can see the results." That would be a pertinent issue, right?


B/R: Right.

Rogan: That would be something that we would all want to discuss when you're talking about how a fighter would perform inside the Octagon. But when it comes to performance-enhancing drugs like testosterone or things like that, we were supposed to give it a cursory mention. And that’s it.

I think that is disingenuous, and I think it does a discredit to the overall analysis of the competition itself. And I...



B/R: Do you ever do any pushback? I assume you have the producer saying like, "Hey, you know, tread lightly."

Rogan: No, no, no. They don’t do that. But the UFC has told me to not bring it up. That’s it.

They don’t want to touch it. They want to leave it alone, and they want to leave it up to USADA and Nevada State Athletic Commission, and they just want to talk about the fighter's skill and how they perform inside the Octagon