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Joe Papp receives eight-year suspension from USADA

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I don'r really know much of this fellows history of racing, but I assumed he had stopped racing a few years ago. Will anything change in his life, such as not being able to interact with teams, or pursue any type of coaching, DS type of jobs. Seems like a after the fact penality..as if the punishment people are saying "We know you had no plans to race, but for 8 years you won't be able to race anyway"
 
This is cycling we're talking about.

-No ban against being involved on the production side.
-No ban against being involved at the team organization side.
-UCI has no problem employing former dopers in the sport.
-USAC's leadership is the same one that created the Armstrong myth.

Joe's got options inside cycling. He'll need to lay low for a couple of years so most will have forgotten about this.

After so many wrongs, he finally did the right thing. We'll see how the Federal sentencing goes.
 
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DirtyWorks said:
This is cycling we're talking about.

-No ban against being involved on the production side.
-No ban against being involved at the team organization side.
-UCI has no problem employing former dopers in the sport.
-USAC's leadership is the same one that created the Armstrong myth.

Joe's got options inside cycling. He'll need to lay low for a couple of years so most will have forgotten about this.

After so many wrongs, he finally did the right thing. We'll see how the Federal sentencing goes.

I hope he gets something similar from the Federal side.
 
i always enjoyed his posts when he was blogging for CN. he got caught up in something a bit bigger than he wanted for sure. i wish him well. 8 years is long.
maybe someday it could be reduced ,for "good behavior" or the like
good luck to him now.
 
I don't know what to feel about this. On one hand he was not personally using at that time so I am a little iffy on equating it with using. On the other hand he was aiding others who were using. Eight years plus the two for using seems like a long time.

Then there is the info from ealier this year, which was quickly suppressed, that Vaughters confessed in private to USADA but did not face any consequences.
 
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Well since his cycling career ended already I'm sure the 8 years won't affect things too much. Lets see he'll still pitch in on USADA's cases if needed or will the USADA wait 8 years till bringing him in on another case :rolleyes:

Anyway, hope things go as well as they can Joe, 8 years till you can join in on a Masters race :D
 
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eight years seems reasonable from the USADA.

however, i vehemently disagree with those of you who think that he should actually get jail time for what he did. who was hurt by what he did? it is difficult if not impossible find a victim. even if you can name one person or a hundred, it is difficult if not impossible to find actual damages.

also, weigh joe's "crimes" against people who get busted for insider trading or stock fraud, defrauding many hundreds of millions of dollars and creating actual quantifiable damage, get as little as no jail time and only about eight years as exemplified by vikram pandat.

perspective, people. perspective.
 
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Foghorn Leghorn said:
meh,

should be lifetime from the sport. good riddance for 8 years, at least he will fit in with all the Masters when he can come back

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gregod said:
however, i vehemently disagree with those of you who think that he should actually get jail time for what he did. who was hurt by what he did? it is difficult if not impossible find a victim. even if you can name one person or a hundred, it is difficult if not impossible to find actual damages.

By those standards, a drink driver should be let off without charge as long as he hasn't hit anyone.
 
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Mambo95 said:
By those standards, a drink driver should be let of without charge as long as he hasn't hit anyone.

a drink driver poses a danger. what joe did, doesn't. the riders who doped assumed the risks themselves. he didn't force them to take anything.

it is moot anyway. he got three years probation. i would say that is fair.
 
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I think he got very lucky. I was expecting some serious prison time just because drugs are society's favorite boogeyman. I bet Joe is very relieved today.

Lucky...... or he did a lot of work for the Feds.

WADA is not a government agency. They would have little influence on Federal sentencing. Papp would have to assist with some criminal cases.

I would expect that the story of Joe Papp is far from finished.
 
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Race Radio said:
Lucky...... or he did a lot of work for the Feds.

WADA is not a government agency. They would have little influence on Federal sentencing. Papp would have to assist with some criminal cases.

I would expect that the story of Joe Papp is far from finished.

You got that right. Far, far from over.:D
 
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don't know if he should face jail time, but he is lucky that public ridicule isn't fatal

seems to like being the center of attention, once he gets suspended and sentenced all that goes away. he will be a footnote in the not so distant future
 
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I applaud Joe for making these comments:

"When I got involved in trafficking, I didn't think about the fact that I was making it easier for other people to put themselves at risk by using products like EPO and HGH," he said.

"Not everyone had the level of layman's proficiency that I had. There was one case [involving a past online customer] where there was a younger guy. … He didn't have the expertise or medical supervision to mitigate the risks. It disgusted me and really frightened me, the thought that he could have really hurt himself."

That's the bottom line for me, as I've posted here before. I'm the one who got Joe busted. I was very aware of the Eposino website and am friends with Travis Tygart so I collected a bunch of info on Eposino and turned it over to Travis, which he forwarded to the Feds. My motivation was more to curtail easy availability of a potentially lethal drug than just to stop people from doping to win bike races. I've had a good bit of experience with the damage incorrectly applied prescription drugs can have, even in the hands of doctors. I had no idea Joe was the guy behind Epsosino though, that was a shock. I've been harsh on him here but he really has stepped up and I wish him the best.