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Jonas Vingegaard: Godzilla, the King of Monsters

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I have a feeling we’ll never see anything come close to that TT again. If he’s able to challenge for victory it’ll be in the mountains, but that TT was too far off the believable meter to be reproduced.
I'm not too sure about that. Vingegaard has produced super time trial performances consistently since 2021. In 2022, he deliberately slowed down to give the TT victory to van Aert; then came the alien TT in 2023. I don't see why Visma wouldn't continue that trend and take it to alien level 2.0. They'll need to be sure that Vingegaard outperforms or at least is on the same level as Pogacar in the TT. I think we'll see even crazier performances unless Vingegaard is simply too hampered by those injuries.
 
I'm not too sure about that. Vingegaard has produced super time trial performances consistently since 2021. In 2022, he deliberately slowed down to give the TT victory to van Aert; then came the alien TT in 2023. I don't see why Visma wouldn't continue that trend and take it to alien level 2.0. They'll need to be sure that Vingegaard outperforms or at least is on the same level as Pogacar in the TT. I think we'll see even crazier performances unless Vingegaard is simply too hampered by those injuries.
i think they are both capable to break plateau de beille record and i think if any of them break this record, media will start diging
 
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Not all records are the same. Plateau de Beille doesn't matter, but Alpe d'Huez does. I think the only other record that would ring the alarms is Hautacam. No other is similarly iconic (and thought of as "unbreakable").

EDIT: Ventoux! How could I forget. The third iconic record.
Alpe d'huez is not that difficult for them to break. They don’t need 6.7 or 6.9 w/kg like pantani to break the record.

If they race in good conditions, looking at Ferrari formula, 6.4 w/kg would be enough to break alpe d huez record.

If they do alpe d huez in ITT, they will break certainly the record, but they can do it in a normal stage.
 
Imagine if jonas or pog break Marco Alpe d huez record, 100% media will react, they have to
That would turn the cycling world upside down since Pantani's record set in 1995 is a heavily doped 36:40 (6.8 w/kg). In fact, Pantani holds the top 3 fastest times with LA holding the 4th & 6th fastest. The top 10 is rounded out with Ullrich, Big Mig, Zuelle, Riis & Virenque.

Not surprisingly, 6 out of the 7 riders are confirmed dopers with Big Mig highly suspicious of course. Vingegaard & Pogacar barley cracked the top 20.

 
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Record by Pantani or Mayo by TT?
Mayo.
Alpe d'huez is not that difficult for them to break. They don’t need 6.7 or 6.9 w/kg like pantani to break the record.

If they race in good conditions, looking at Ferrari formula, 6.4 w/kg would be enough to break alpe d huez record.

If they do alpe d huez in ITT, they will break certainly the record, but they can do it in a normal stage.
Even if I agreed with you, that wouldn't change that Alpe d'Huez is the most iconic climbing record there is. For better or worse, it's the common benchmark.
 
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Not all records are the same. Plateau de Beille doesn't matter, but Alpe d'Huez does. I think the only other record that would ring the alarms is Hautacam. No other is similarly iconic (and thought of as "unbreakable").

EDIT: Ventoux! How could I forget. The third iconic record.
Is there like a list of records somewhere sorted by some W/kg graph?

Surely Piancavallo is up there?
 
Alpe d'huez is not that difficult for them to break. They don’t need 6.7 or 6.9 w/kg like pantani to break the record.

If they race in good conditions, looking at Ferrari formula, 6.4 w/kg would be enough to break alpe d huez record.

If they do alpe d huez in ITT, they will break certainly the record, but they can do it in a normal stage.
No way its just 6,4 w/kg
 
I specifically think they avoid racing a lot of the big name climbs to the max to stay out of the spotlight, let them be breakaway stages or a late attack. But even if the records do go down, it’s not like they haven’t been comparing Pogacar to Pantani in a favorable light anyway. When things get more unbelievable, just light the propaganda fuse and step away.
 
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The problem with climbing records for Pogacar and Vingegaard is they're too busy with each other to break records of Pantani.
IDK, Pogacar wasn't too far behind Pantani at Oropa:

 
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IDK, Pogacar wasn't too far behind Pantani at Oropa:

Oropa was barely faster than Dumoulin. That was not it.

I only had Tour records in mind. I don't think Giro records matter that much for the public at large.

Lanternerouge probably has a list, I guess Montecampione is high on it.
Maybe from Pantani's career. But I guess Ventoux and Hautacam are considerably harder than Montecampione.

Ventoux especially is so wind dependent.
 
That would turn the cycling world upside down since Pantani's record set in 1995 is a heavily doped 36:40 (6.8 w/kg). In fact, Pantani holds the top 3 fastest times with LA holding the 4th & 6th fastest. The top 10 is rounded out with Ullrich, Big Mig, Zuelle, Riis & Virenque.

Not surprisingly, 6 out of the 7 riders are confirmed dopers with Big Mig highly suspicious of course. Vingegaard & Pogacar barley cracked the top 20.

I'd make that 7 for 7. Personal consultation for Ferrari results says it all.
 
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The problem with climbing records for Pogacar and Vingegaard is they're too busy with each other to break records of Pantani.
This Tour should be similar. It's stacking up to be an aggressive race of attrition with the gravel stage thrown in to make it really kinky. Depending on who falls from the hunt; it'll be team against team and then primary contenders looking for payoffs. It should be f*ckn' great.
That said; I hope all of the shake outs for GC don't happen in the first week.