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Jonas Vingegaard: Godzilla, the King of Monsters

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Let's say I'm a novice and you're the experts.

How is it possible to have these performances after two weeks in the ICU?

After that injury you can run a TDF but you can't push those EPO 90s alien watts.

the injuries of Bernal/Froome/Evenepoel were potentially fatal, this??? In two months he pushes alien watts???
Probably the same way the other one seems to be holding a 4 month peak from his 60K solo at Strada Bianchi in February through Milan-San Remo, Volta a Catalunya, L-B-L, and the Giro.
 
do we know what the w/kg is? it was doped for sure but it looked more like Pogacar bonked than anything. i would imagine both of them were below their level from last year.
It's an atypical effort over several climbs and so it's hard to compare, but on Perthus he was ~29" faster than Pogi, and Pogi was still 2nd fastest with 18" down to Evenepoel and Rogla.

View: https://x.com/velofacts/status/1811041247714283576
 
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It's an atypical effort over several climbs and so it's hard to compare, but on Perthus he was ~29" faster than Pogi, and Pogi was still 2nd fastest with 18" down to Evenepoel and Rogla.

View: https://x.com/velofacts/status/1811041247714283576

so pretty close to Marie Blanque last year when Vingegaard also did 6.9. that was around 10 minutes longer though but today was ridden much harder before too. very close to last year then i think.
 
do we know what the w/kg is? it was doped for sure but it looked more like Pogacar bonked than anything. i would imagine both of them were below their level from last year.

I might be off topic here for a minute but I wish Pog would wear the black shorts instead of the full yellow skinsuit. It's a fashion aberration riding around like a human banana.

As for Pog's performance, I don't think he bonked. I think what we watched in stage 11 was the 2024 TdF equivalent of Lance on the Alpe d'Huez back in the 2003 Tour. Aka his rivals were better than he thought they were (remember Beltran's delierious pace setting sprint onto the climb? lol worthy stuff).

And Vingegaard is on another level entirely. I don't know what Visma have done but we're seeing something physiologically & biologically which I believe the military & government should look into.

I mean forget anti-dope agencies, I want to know what Nasa thinks of this guy. They should conduct tests on him in a lab.
 
Let's say I'm a novice and you're the experts.

How is it possible to have these performances after two weeks in the ICU?

After that injury you can run a TDF but you can't push those EPO 90s alien watts.

the injuries of Bernal/Froome/Evenepoel were potentially fatal, this??? In two months he pushes alien watts???

I rarely come on the clinic forum as I can accept most super performances and don't think everybody 'is at it'.
But this is taking the pi55.......If he really was in ICU, then it makes no sense...he's as good as ever. Which goes against everything we think we know about athletic performance.
 
I rarely come on the clinic forum as I can accept most super performances and don't think everybody 'is at it'.
But this is taking the pi55.......If he really was in ICU, then it makes no sense...he's as good as ever. Which goes against everything we think we know about athletic performance.
Absent both and throw in the other big mutants for a good measure, and we might have an exciting race. Maybe even the sport would be less of a joke (which is on me, as I continue to watch).

Anyway, I'm at a loss understanding Vinge. The otherworldliness of his riding can IMHO be illustrated by the following juxtaposition: let's say a top Marathoner* goes through what JV did 3 months out of main competition? Do we expect a creme de la creme performance? I would not.

Still, the base might falter. But who knows, he seems to be gaining strength.

* Abstracting from the fact that a marathon lasts 2hrs, not 21 days
 
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what I don't get is the pre-race statements from the team expressing uncertainty about JV's condition and even his participation. what was wrong with saying Jonas is training well and is in great shape for the race. as it is the public narrative is very suspect.

perhaps they simply didn't know in what great shape he was. or maybe they just don't care how it looks - so confident ar they that the cycling media will lap up the "miracle" story
 
The only hope is that he runs out of base conditioning a similar way as how Pogacar was exposed on Loze last year. Otherwise its very difficult to accept based upon anything known about athletic recovery after the injuries and training interruption he suffered.

We will see, he's not getting weaker by any means but it's the opposite. The battle continues but the way Vingo closed the gap today is a warning for Teddy ahead of the Pyrenees. Vingo can still crack at some point but it's not looking like that. if he avoids any bad day till the end of the race it'll be ridiculous given his preparations.