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Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

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Ozempic and semaglutide are on the WADA monitoring list for a reason. Also levothyroxine and other thyroid hormone regulators used to increase the basal metabolic rate have been used ever since by cyclists, and they're not even banned.
Having had hyperthyroidism twice due to covid, I can tell you that overly high thyroid hormone levels really suck, but a little over the normal range and you will feel as if you were 14 again, endless amounts of energy, hypervigilance, severe weight loss despite of insatiable appetite etc.

Race-weight cocktails are real and maintaining race-weight 'should' be something you can only do for so long before your body gives in and starts throttling vital aspects of itself. That's why previously GT riders always gained weight throughout GT's. Now days it seems the monsters are at race weight year-round and sometimes even lose weight during grand tours, looking at you 2022 Wout Van Aert:D

Claiming that dieticians and targeted meals somehow allow riders to stay at inhumane body weights year-round is a gimmik
 
Well sure, but why turn the drugs for basic weight management when nutrition intake can address that piece? There is really no point in taking risks if you don't need to
That is kind of easier said that done though, correct? I mean Lance (and the rest of the peloton) back in the day understood that eating too much food results in weight gain, yet many of them struggled with it. So why can they do it now, but not back then? Just a lot more mentally tougher? It's not as if dietitians and nutritionists haven't been around for a LONG time.

In some ways, it's kind of like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking." There is a reason you hear about so many eating disorders like anorexia or bulimia , But now it doesn't seem to be a problem for the peloton? even ones that are unable to train?
 
That's why previously GT riders always gained weight throughout GT's. Now days it seems the monsters are at race weight year-round and sometimes even lose weight during grand tours, looking at you 2022 Wout Van Aert:D
Agreed on all other points but I think losing weight during a GT is still expected, just not maintaining constantly for extended parts of the year. Anybody who has ever been exceptionally lean for a while can feel for themselves how unsustainable that is year-round, especially without compromising performance, it’s just silly to think guys can be that emaciated and still full throttle all year. Of course they’re physical freaks but they still can’t outrun basic biology.
 
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That is kind of easier said that done though, correct? I mean Lance (and the rest of the peloton) back in the day understood that eating too much food results in weight gain, yet many of them struggled with it. So why can they do it now, but not back then? Just a lot more mentally tougher? It's not as if dietitians and nutritionists haven't been around for a LONG time.

In some ways, it's kind of like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking." There is a reason you hear about so many eating disorders like anorexia or bulimia , But now it doesn't seem to be a problem for the peloton? even ones that are unable to train?

its still a problem in the womens peloton for sure, especially among the younger riders with all the body image issues of growing up in a sport that pushes you to the edge and beyond, Mara Abbott is probably one of the few at the elite level who has spoken openly about, and it wasnt that long ago you'd hear stories of DS's telling riders they were slow because they were fat, or the Shecret pro wrote of team training camps where riders could only eat salad for weeks to lose weight, of course if there was a wonder drug that wasnt banned theyd use it, and most of those across all sports that get popped for diuretics are trying to lose weight quickly.

but I remember Wiggo talks about it too in his Audience with tour, as he suffered from eating disorders during his career,as a result of having to be a certain weight, but he also talks how Sky specifically had these brutal day long training rides they had to do, without eating anything, just to get to a race weight, they were literally weight loss rides and he hated doing them.
 
That is kind of easier said that done though, correct? I mean Lance (and the rest of the peloton) back in the day understood that eating too much food results in weight gain, yet many of them struggled with it. So why can they do it now, but not back then? Just a lot more mentally tougher? It's not as if dietitians and nutritionists haven't been around for a LONG time.

In some ways, it's kind of like telling an alcoholic to "just stop drinking." There is a reason you hear about so many eating disorders like anorexia or bulimia , But now it doesn't seem to be a problem for the peloton? even ones that are unable to train?
Guys weighed their food back then and some were disciplined enough to eat what they should and had the resources to get it. It would be interesting to get pros from that era to actually rate the quality and availability of appropriate food during a GT. Since every rider has slightly different needs that can't be a simple task for a travelling roadshow. Certainly the protected GC candidates would get what they needed and, in spite of nutritionists being available; how many team members actually had access? Take this year's Visma poster child for quality diet: Matteo Jorgenson. He is very happy with the resources available to him and likely loving that he doesn't spend much of his old Movistar salary amount actually getting fed properly. There are probably a few riders that free-lance away from the team regimen just to maintain a good racing diet and weight.

Now there's very little excuse to not have supplements along with good food to get through an event. What racers eat during a stage seems to have gotten more condensed to specific gels and liquid reinforcements rather than old school solid stuff. That can be more regulated than trying to mix in solid products requiring too much digestion and related fluid and risk a bonking occurrence. That may be an answer why many riders can maintain a stable weight range: they actually now know what they're doing.
 
What are the offs of Vinge getting in shape to compete at the Tour only to have a positive and they spin it that it’s due to the accident so they can try and get sympathy.
Based upon everything I’ve read about his injuries and recovery to date (not Visma) I can’t see Vingo being anywhere near full strength for the TdF. But I think the point you hypothesise can be discussed in the other place ;) .
 
Based upon everything I’ve read about his injuries and recovery to date (not Visma) I can’t see Vingo being anywhere near full strength for the TdF. But I think the point you hypothesise can be discussed in the other place ;) .

This is the "other place", is it not?

To be honest (& as a reply to SHADOW's post) I reckon these teams conduct internal tests all the time. It means whenever someone is glowing or close enough, they get pulled from races (either during or before). Not to sound too tinfoil hat-esque here (after all, what the hell do I know?) I reckon a few DNF's & DNS's over the years (in whichever teams) for vague reasons might actually be clinic related.

Tyler Hamilton's book has a part in which he totally lacks self-awareness & gets all angsty because Postal pulled him from a race (& 'the program') when he was glowing a little bit too much (I seem to remember his hematocrit was at nearly 50%). He acted like the team's decision was an injustice as well.
 
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This is the "other place", is it not?

To be honest (& as a reply to SHADOW's post) I reckon these teams conduct internal tests all the time. It means whenever someone is glowing or close enough, they get pulled from races (either during or before). Not to sound too tinfoil hat-esque here (after all, what the hell do I know?) I reckon a few DNF's & DNS's over the years (in whichever teams) for vague reasons might actually be clinic related.

Tyler Hamilton's book has a part in which he totally lacks self-awareness & gets all angsty because Postal pulled him from a race (& 'the program') when he was glowing a little bit too much (I seem to remember his hematocrit was at nearly 50%). He acted like the team's decision was an injustice as well.
Thanks. Apologies to @SHAD0W93.
 
What are the offs of Vinge getting in shape to compete at the Tour only to have a positive and they spin it that it’s due to the accident so they can try and get sympathy.

I think it's more likely that they'd claim he absorbed his twin whilst in the womb. That would also explain why he's got more love inside of him than other people.
 
The other place sounds a bit seedy so we need to spice it up a bit. The conversation varies between the blindingly obvious "they're all jacked up" and some debatable chemtrail theories. None of this is seedy enough for my liking. I got reported for posting that the 2018 giro trphy presentation had to be delayed because the sky staff were busy violently masturbating. Thankfully, reason prevailed and no ban was issued.
 
The other place sounds a bit seedy so we need to spice it up a bit. The conversation varies between the blindingly obvious "they're all jacked up" and some debatable chemtrail theories. None of this is seedy enough for my liking. I got reported for posting that the 2018 giro trphy presentation had to be delayed because the sky staff were busy violently masturbating. Thankfully, reason prevailed and no ban was issued.
They say truth is the ultimate defence.
 
The other place sounds a bit seedy so we need to spice it up a bit. The conversation varies between the blindingly obvious "they're all jacked up" and some debatable chemtrail theories. None of this is seedy enough for my liking. I got reported for posting that the 2018 giro trphy presentation had to be delayed because the sky staff were busy violently masturbating. Thankfully, reason prevailed and no ban was issued.

well the way they planned and lead Froome's big ride up and down Finestre (they scouted Finestre's downhill a few times, Portal did lead Froome on the radio in every curve as a rally driver, they posted the road notes of all the bends and curves) for me they are allowed to circle masturbate behind the podium eheh
 
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That is kind of easier said that done though, correct? I mean Lance (and the rest of the peloton) back in the day understood that eating too much food results in weight gain, yet many of them struggled with it. So why can they do it now, but not back then?
The anecdote I remember from Tyler Hamilton's book is that they would ride hard for 6 hours, then come home and have some sublingual testosterone and sleeping pills and sleep off their hunger. That's one way to not eat too much food but even with the bonus T in your system it may not be the optimal diet for long term performance or weight loss/maintenance. Presumably dieticians tell you something more sophisticated than "burn all the calories and don't eat lol", instead they tell you exactly how much you need to eat to get by (and when), then you eat that much and not a morsel more. Also they look over your shoulder to keep you accountable. A smart nutrition plan would theoretically allow you to toe the line of mortality without trashing yourself too badly, as compared to the Lance era anorexia approach.

I for one believe that riders are super strict with their diet these days, as I think that would be hard to fake on such a large scale. And if that's not having any effect, then why don't we see any of the top guys following the Chris Horner school of thought?
 
The anecdote I remember from Tyler Hamilton's book is that they would ride hard for 6 hours, then come home and have some sublingual testosterone and sleeping pills and sleep off their hunger. That's one way to not eat too much food but even with the bonus T in your system it may not be the optimal diet for long term performance or weight loss/maintenance. Presumably dieticians tell you something more sophisticated than "burn all the calories and don't eat lol", instead they tell you exactly how much you need to eat to get by (and when), then you eat that much and not a morsel more. Also they look over your shoulder to keep you accountable. A smart nutrition plan would theoretically allow you to toe the line of mortality without trashing yourself too badly, as compared to the Lance era anorexia approach.

I for one believe that riders are super strict with their diet these days, as I think that would be hard to fake on such a large scale. And if that's not having any effect, then why don't we see any of the top guys following the Chris Horner school of thought?
This.

I mean, yes, there is still many drugs and supplements that one can take. But nutritional science has improved by a ridiculous amount, and that also contributes to what we are seeing and to maintaining weight. There definitely never used to be smart apps that help you calculate what tweet nearly to the calorie.
 
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