Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

[pastronef]

As minor as doping in sports may be in the grand scheme of things, it’s quite concerning the general public can be so naive.

On the topic of uncovering a scandal, I do think we’re due for some whistleblowers soon and a guy like Dumoulin might be the first.

won't happen, but that would be fun. remember how Dumo almost saved cycling twice in 2018 when he was 2nd at Giro and Tour

 

[Rackham]

which personal problems?

Don't know, they're undisclosed. But that's what Merijn Zeeman said was the reason for Vingegaard's underperformance in Paris-Nice: El Jumbo descarta a Roglic para el Tour - AS.com

Vingegaard had to deal with some private issues that threw him back and he was not at his best last week. That's a valid excuse.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Don't know, they're undisclosed. But that's what Merijn Zeeman said was the reason for Vingegaard's underperformance in Paris-Nice: El Jumbo descarta a Roglic para el Tour - AS.com

I assume they're connected to him having had to travel back to his family before the start Gran Camiño.

They should never have hired Jonas Vingegaard either or transformed him from random gregario to GT winner IMO

If they shouldn't have hired him, then why should they have hired anyone?
He's not the first rider they, and other teams, have made into a star and he won't be the last.

 

[Rackham]

I assume they're connected to him having had to travel back to his family before the start Gran Camiño.



If they shouldn't have hired him, then why should they have hired anyone?
He's not the first rider they, and other teams, have made into a star and he won't be the last.

I'm referring to Vingegaard's mental state. He has some problems.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I'm referring to Vingegaard's mental state. He has some problems.

I'm not sure he's worse off than many other riders. I don't think the team would have believed so much in him if there were any major problems. But time will of course tell if he ends up burning out early for one reason or another.

 

[Nick2413]

I'm not sure he's worse off than many other riders. I don't think the team would have believed so much in him if there were any major problems. But time will of course tell if he ends up burning out early for one reason or another.

These are the kind of things you can only really see in hindsight. When they first hired him they didn’t expect him to be a TdF winner and how can you know how someone will react to that? And as you said, he’s really not that different to anyone else, maybe a little quirky but we get more visibility with people like him.

 

[Red Rick]

I believe all that's been implied about Vingegaard is that he's a pretty nervous type and struggled with growing expectations?

Some make it seem like he's a nutcase.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I believe all that's been implied about Vingegaard is that he's a pretty nervous type and struggled with growing expectations?

Some make it seem like he's a nutcase.

The team has talked a lot about how he's grown as a person and as a leader and apart from that Tour of Poland breakdown, I haven't really seen him struggle with leadership and pressure in his career (on the bike that is).

 

[Red Rick]

The team has talked a lot about how he's grown as a person and as a leader and apart from that Tour of Poland breakdown, I haven't really seen him struggle with leadership and pressure in his career (on the bike that is).

IIRC he was quite emotional after Luz Ardiden cause he'd been so nervous and hadn't felt good during the stage or something

 

[Nick2413]

The team has talked a lot about how he's grown as a person and as a leader and apart from that Tour of Poland breakdown, I haven't really seen him struggle with leadership and pressure in his career (on the bike that is).

I think part of it is that Pogacar is pretty much the polar opposite and as his main rival, it’s sort of a stark contrast in nature.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

IIRC he was quite emotional after Luz Ardiden cause he'd been so nervous and hadn't felt good during the stage or something

But it still didn't really affect his performance a whole lot.

 

[Rackham]

I believe all that's been implied about Vingegaard is that he's a pretty nervous type and struggled with growing expectations?

Some make it seem like he's a nutcase.

I think he'd actually benefit in terms of charisma if he really was a nutcase. It would at least make him standout a bit & have some personality.

Right now he's just boring.

 

[Cookster15]

Bump. No discussion of this guy after his recent results? He is less believable than Pog. Yet recently we still have people flogging a dead horse about Froome.

 

[zlev11]

Bump. No discussion of this guy after his recent results? He is less believable than Pog. Yet recently we still have people flogging a dead horse about Froome.

Froome tested positive, Vingegaard has not

 

[Nick2413]

Bump. No discussion of this guy after his recent results? He is less believable than Pog. Yet recently we still have people flogging a dead horse about Froome.

His performance in Itzulia went under the radar with the race being a bit overshadowed by pretty much every other race this spring. I think people don’t realize how freaky some of the Itzulia numbers were.

 

[Cookster15]

Froome tested positive, Vingegaard has not

Froome is yesterdays news so that is flogging a dead horse. Vingo might be about to go from obscurity in June 2021 to two time TdF winner in the blink of an eye. Time for proper scrutiny.

 

[Red Rick]

Bump. No discussion of this guy after his recent results? He is less believable than Pog. Yet recently we still have people flogging a dead horse about Froome.

1. Insane is the new normal
2. Jumbo doesn't do the "LOOK WERE THE CLEANLIEST EVER" thing to even remotely the same degree as Sky
3. Vingegaard has no defenders on this forum who are all like "yeah he must be clean you're just salty".
4. Crazy Itzulia performances fly under de radar compared to crazy *** happening in De Ronde and Roubaix.

 

[Netserk]

Vingo might be about to go from obscurity in June 2021 to two time TdF winner in the blink of an eye.

Yawn. Maybe people would be more inclined to engage with less dumb takes.

 

[Extinction]

I'm referring to Vingegaard's mental state. He has some problems.

Yep, always calling his wife after the stage...he must be mental.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I'm definitely not surprised by the big numbers in Itzulia, as riders are usually well-prepared for that race, cause otherwise they would run the risk of getting stomped by Ion Izagirre every year. In his book, Thomas Dekker tells the story of how he was hanging on for dear life on some climb in the 2006 edition, while guys like Riccò and Gómez Marchante had time to take a wee.

 

[Rob5091]

Yep, always calling his wife after the stage...he must be mental.

Now if Pogacar was calling Vingegaard's wife after every stage, then we'd have a front-page story. He has had his own problems and maybe family life is being strained by him being away so much on the cycling "merry-go-round".

 

[Extinction]

Now if Pogacar was calling Vingegaard's wife after every stage, then we'd have a front-page story. He has had his own problems and maybe family life is being strained by him being away so much on the cycling "merry-go-round".

Na, his wife is a cyclist, so good move.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Vinge is clean. He even doesn't use baking soda. He has a big heart inside a 30 kilo (or so) body so no wonder he produces crazy w/kg (even kids know that the smaller the denominator the bigger the fraction). He doesn't dope, he was just created in a lab.

 

[Cookster15]

Yawn. Maybe people would be more inclined to engage with less dumb takes.

I didn't create this thread, you did? I am highlighting forum double standards.

I notice others have chimed in. Personally, I am no fan of Froome but I find it a "yawn" that we still have people complaining about a rider who we expect to announce his retirement any day when the current TdF champion who miraculously reveals himself after Roglic's injury and who yet was virtual nobody before July 2021, is doing crazy things again as the 2023 TdF approaches.

This is an opinion forum, and my opinion is as valid as yours, particularly if I back that up with facts, logic and reason. I have already done so in this thread since you created it during the 2022 TdF. And I maintain, Vingegaard is less believable than Pog purely on their past records. Yet Pog's "Gianetti" clinic thread was more active than this one which you created? Double standards right there.

 

[pastronef]

agree with Cookster. somehow Jumbo (the former Rabobank) gets more sympathy than UAE (former Lampre) and Vingegaard had a sudden rise, very sudden.