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Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

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Well I can't agree, because Granon was I believe superior. Only PDBF is compatible.

I would say all four performances (Pog's mentioned efforts plus Granon and Hautacam) are comparable and on top-end of human performances. I consider Hautacam more impressive than Granon because Vinge distanced Pog, who actually distanced the rest comfortably (but his streak of ridiculous accelerations on Spendelles and a fall may have affected the gap between the two).
 
Sure, Vinge looks like the ultimate GT racer while Pog like the ultimate road cyclist. But I don't think Vinge's best Tour performances were better than Pog's PDBF and Le Grand Bornand.
It's always difficult to compare performances between the two, but let's not forget that last year's tour was the most fastest tour ever, and the numbers on granon and hautacam after a high pace on galibier and spandelles, were some of the best performances of this century.
The guy did 6.32 w/kg on hautacam during 36 min after doing nearly 6.2 w/kg during 30 min on spandelles.....
The only time i saw pogacar doing 6.3 w/kg during a long climb of 35/36 min was prati di tivo on TA 2021, and it was a easy stage until the foot of prati di tivo, in a one week race.

I think the most impressive performance of pogacar was the TT on LPDBF.
Romme/colombiere was a good performance but i think what pogacar did on spandelles and hautacam, are at least at the same level.
 
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So if Vingegaard was riding around as a slightly above average climber then turned into a world beater when they put him on a program, is that an indication of what would happen to anyone getting out on a super program? Or super responding? It’s tricky because it’s hard to believe it isn’t being tried on all the top 25 or so riders, but also hard to believe he’s that much more talented given his earlier history. I suspect only a couple teams are really maxing it out, and it’s the UAEs and JVs.

Also look at how random domestiques within those teams occasionally put up world class climbing numbers on key days, like McNulty on Peyragudes last year and Wout and Laporte (not that they’re random, but all the sudden world’s best on any parcours at any given moment) whenever Jumbo needs them. You don’t see that on other teams, except for… Padun. I do think Vingegaard is the beneficiary of a very potent cocktail, but his top rivals are also on par with it.
 
Disagree. He lost nearly three minutes. You don’t lose three minutes in 5km like that at this level unless you blow. He blew because he thought he could cover both Roglic and Vingegaard. He learned a painful lesson.
Seems like it was the result of both. Vingegaard went thermonuclear and Pogi screwed up, causing him to completely pop and finish well behind inferior riders.
 
Seems like it was the result of both. Vingegaard went thermonuclear and Pogi screwed up, causing him to completely pop and finish well behind inferior riders.
You are right. Pog finished 90 seconds behind Thomas who pretty sure he was climbing better than.

 
It's always difficult to compare performances between the two, but let's not forget that last year's tour was the most fastest tour ever, and the numbers on granon and hautacam after a high pace on galibier and spandelles, were some of the best performances of this century.
The guy did 6.32 w/kg on hautacam during 36 min after doing nearly 6.2 w/kg during 30 min on spandelles.....
The only time i saw pogacar doing 6.3 w/kg during a long climb of 35/36 min was prati di tivo on TA 2021, and it was a easy stage until the foot of prati di tivo, in a one week race.

I think the most impressive performance of pogacar was the TT on LPDBF.
Romme/colombiere was a good performance but i think what pogacar did on spandelles and hautacam, are at least at the same level.

I'm not sure about exact comparison of w/kg alone (due to various factors regarding calculations). Anyway, Pog did 6.42 w/kg and 6.22 w/kg on Romme and Colombiere almost consecutively (barely 5-6 km of break) and averaged almost 1800 m/h of VAM on those. They were shorter (49 minutes in total compared to 65 minutes) but OTOH climbing speeds were higher and the break between them much smaller (than Spendelles and Hautacam) and he did most of them alone (no WVA pacing on the second climb). And he absolutely crushed the competition (sure, he likes cold weather but let's not pretend it's not a performance limiting factor for most guys Vinge included). Definitely comparable stuff to Vinge's performance, maybe even more impressive.
 
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If he had the heart and lungs of a 400lb gorilla he would have set the world on fire from a younger age. Agree about his TT. He almost beat a rampant WvA on that flat stage 20 TT. Lots of nonsense about his low CdA. Sounds like Armstrong in that regard. Making up feasible stories to deflect suspicion.

His upperbody is thin like a pipe so CdA stuff maybe makes sense. Keep in mind that at a younger age he utilized his exceptional fitness in another business (fishing industry) and used his bike only to get to work (when it wasn't too windy OFC).
 
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Nah, ski jumping is totally different. It's not that much about power, suits and other equipment is way more important. Roglic once mentioned something about slow muscles and therefore cycling was not recommended for ski jumpers.
The smaller the hill, the more explosive power becomes important. It's still a weight obsessed sport and at least in the German speaking world nearly all the young athletes also do a bit of xc skiing on the side.
 
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About Jonas Wineyard, he did win that uphill prologue on a shallower climb in the Giro della Valle d'Aosta in the u23 ranks (put 28sec into Honore in a 16min effort), so it looks like he always had a good engine.
Does that explain what he did over the last 2 years? Hell no!

It was a shame he crashed out of the race the next day and never got to ride l'Avenir fully fit, cause a good result there would at least have made it less of a surprise that he'd be able to perform well in GTs later on. The same goes for Jay Vine, who's had a not too dissimilar rise to the top (time will tell if too will be able to gain mutant status).
 
His upperbody is thin like a pipe so CdA stuff maybe makes sense
How many watts does he save via CdA to close the gap to a watt monster like Wout in TT? Enough to make up for his absolute power deficit to Wout? Not without "sauce".

I think it was the most insane performance by a climber in TT since Pantani in 1998 TdF.

Vingegaard rode a 40km slightly underlating and downhill TT just 19 seconds slower than Wout van Aert who was in superlative form that Tour. In fact Vingo might have won except he backed off to celebrate. Stage 20 was more insane than what he did on Granon or Hautacam. Lest we forget.

 
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