Jonas Vingegaard Rasmussen, the new alpha mutant

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Netserk

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Peyroteo94 said:
Please stop with this bs. This man is on a different level when we are talking about cheating. Really hope he gets caught in his 30s and UCI remove all his wins. Seriously, I'm the one to say everyone is doped (and didn't care much about his level in 2022) but what he showed in this Tour, specially in the TT is someone who isn't even moderating in his doping program. A performance similar to Riis in 96 Hautacam.
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And I guess they should have arrested Pogi when he was a level above everyone else?
 
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Netserk said:
And I guess they should have arrested Pogi when he was a level above everyone else?
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Of course Pogi is a doper too. But Pogi never showed a mutant performance like the one Vingegaard did. In fact, his most nuclear performance (2020 LPDB) is miles behind Vingegaard in the 2023 Tour TT.
Like I said already, I don't mind to see 2022 Vingegaard dominating the Tour for the next couple years. However, I will never tolerate such a blatant doping performance as the one we saw in the 2023 Tour TT. I follow cycling for more than 20 years. I'm portuguese, so I'm used to Cândido Barbosa aka the Rebordosa rocket, Rui Sousa, Nuno Ribeiro, etc and this performance was just disgusting, Volta a Portugal level. You must be danish for sure.
 
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Netserk said:
And I guess they should have arrested Pogi when he was a level above everyone else?
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Look over there ! This is the Jonas Vingegaard thread which was started after 2022 Granon ;)

Glad to see the fisherman is still getting the deserved attention here a month after the Tour ended. Before the Tour I was trying to prod some interest here and all anyone wanted to discuss was washed up Chris Froome, or like you point to Pogi - well Vingo has seriously raised the doping bar beyond 2020 LPdBF don't you think? I guess the TT changed everything.

A calculated 103 Vo2 Max for the stage 16 TT after two weeks of racing is really making a mockery of the sport IMO. But I see the fisherman with a very unimpressive palmeres prior to July 2021 is apparently a national hero in Denmark :rolleyes:. Anyway, my $0.02.
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
People who are saying Vingegaard should be arrested are a bit over the top. What for? Illegal VO2 max? Is he going to be imprisoned in isolation in the UCI headquarters? Can Pogi be arrested for taking the Flandriens’ jobs away?
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This place has gotten way out of control. I now hope Remco destroys everyone on every mountain stage and TT of the Vuelta. The justification for him doing so would be comedy gold
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
People who are saying Vingegaard should be arrested are a bit over the top. What for? Illegal VO2 max? Is he going to be imprisoned in isolation in the UCI headquarters? Can Pogi be arrested for taking the Flandriens’ jobs away?
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Yes. The idea is to both fight doping and make cycling more marketable to other demographics and a diffierent viewership in general. So the UCI has approached Joe Roegan and he agreed on helping to organize the first of many to follow cage fights between athletes that perform to well. Who win's doesn't get suspended but has to face the next accused in a follow up fight. The suspension can thus be pushed backwords by winning cage fights, so they need to fight for their carreer to go on uninterrupted.

And yes, this is Elons fault.
 
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QueenStagiaire said:
People who are saying Vingegaard should be arrested are a bit over the top. What for? Illegal VO2 max? Is he going to be imprisoned in isolation in the UCI headquarters? Can Pogi be arrested for taking the Flandriens’ jobs away?
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I agree, but I have read the last posts again, and no one called for his arrest. And if someone did I'd guess that it was hyperbole?

The calculations of the necessary vo2max are pretty absurd, I don't mean the method, I mean the result for itself.
Especially as one has to consider this was not in the first week or a one day event we are talking about. But also without that, the difference to anyone else who ever existed would be pretty stark if this is true. Sadly Vingegaard probably won't make his vo2 results public, so like always there are pointers, but the details have to either be filled in with speculation, or one has to be agnostic about it.
 
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Getting caught ≠ getting arrested.

I read through the last couple of pages & I don't see anyone saying Vinge should be arrested... although it's a bit of a faux débat (as the French call it), i.e. a misdirection of the topic of sorts because context is everything. If a rider & his team are busted during the actual Tour de France, then sure, you'll get images of that rider taken away by cops (it's what happened to Festina).

I mean Bahrain had the cops all over them & they didn't even find what they were looking for. So yeah, no matter what people believe in terms of "punishment that fits the crime" (& whether doping deserves such repression), anti-doping cases in the Tour can involve men in uniform strong arming a rider into a police vehicle.
 
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Le breton said:
The question for me is : how to maintain an interest in Pro cycling when the dice are so obviously loaded.
It has happened before and the only interest for me was guessing who was the top clean racer in the TdF.
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Especially when there’s a good GC fight going on and you know one of them is just waiting for one specific stage to blow the other away by several minutes. That the whole race is a farce. The fact that there is suspense for a while doesn’t make it a good race once it’s revealed that it was never a race.
 
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He is on a mission

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Samu Cuenca said:
I expect him to be quite good in the Vuelta. He most likely won't be able to reach his Tour level, but we know that JV won't leave anything to chance. They probably fear Remco just as much as they've feared Pogačar, and we've seen how far they've been able/willing/allowed to push it in order to beat him. They've already lost a GT to Remco and were potentially on their way to losing another one during the Giro, and I doubt they want to risk that again.

The ITT obviously doesn't suit Vingegaard as much as the one in the Tour and it also comes earlier in the race (although it is after a rest day, so that should of course give him some extra watts), so I don't expect him to be able to beat Remco or Roglič in that one.
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Actually I don't think so at all. That's more the way the (Belgian) press has framed it, but if you actually listen to the interviews Jumbo gave none of them really particularly cares about Evenepoel. He's an opponent, not the opponent. If anything, the name Ayuso seemed to inspire a little more fear (although maybe slightly less so after San Sebastian).

Also, I don't really know what you're implying with this. If Evenepoel weren't there they would have gone easy on the doping?
 
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Actually I don't think so at all. That's more the way the (Belgian) press has framed it, but if you actually listen to the interviews Jumbo gave none of them really particularly cares about Evenepoel. He's an opponent, not the opponent. If anything, the name Ayuso seemed to inspire a little more fear (although maybe slightly less so after San Sebastian).

Also, I don't really know what you're implying with this. If Evenepoel weren't there they would have gone easy on the doping?
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They have PTSD from everything related to UAE/Pogi. This is why they fear Ayuso more than Remco.
 
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theyoungest said:
Actually I don't think so at all. That's more the way the (Belgian) press has framed it, but if you actually listen to the interviews Jumbo gave none of them really particularly cares about Evenepoel. He's an opponent, not the opponent. If anything, the name Ayuso seemed to inspire a little more fear (although maybe slightly less so after San Sebastian).

Also, I don't really know what you're implying with this. If Evenepoel weren't there they would have gone easy on the doping?
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I'm sure they would have gone a little easier in the Tour if Pogačar hadn't been able to start the race (or at least Vingegaard wouldn't have had to do a such crazy ITT in order to win).

Of course they may be just as scared of Ayuso, but on paper Remco is a guy who is capable of gaining time on more stages than JA. But my point is that no matter who they view as the main favourite, they're going to the Vuelta in order to win it, and right now they're at the top of their game.
 
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