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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard: The Butterfly Effect

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If they are even considering Wout for plan A they have to have him in full preparation for that now. More weight reduction and pure climbing work than even his usual domestique years. It would be interesting to see him go for GC just to see what actually happens, but wouldn’t Kuss be their first man after Vingegaard?

For green jersey?

I assume likely not racing for GC and instead try to win stages. If neither Wout or Jonas will be ready then indeed it will be interesting to see on what strategy Visma will choose. Natural selection would indeed likely be Kuss and a team in support of his GC aspirations.

The problem with these crashes is sometimes a rider can be 100% a month later and sometimes it takes a whole career down. Too hard to know right out the gate. Cramps in a race can cause a single missed pedal stroke or a DNF. There’s still too little info out there.

I feel that Jonas will highly likely be just fine, after a while and will fully recover, somehow i doubt such time frame can be squeezed in till the Tour.
 
I assume likely not racing for GC and instead try to win stages. If neither Wout or Jonas will be ready then indeed it will be interesting to see on what strategy Visma will choose. Natural selection would indeed likely be Kuss and a team in support of his GC aspirations.
I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.
 
I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.

For GC in my opinion Wout would need to climb better and if he wants to climb better then he needs to drop some weight. Likely we are talking about somewhere in the range of 10kg. If he does that then he is not the Wout we know any more and who knows on how successful he would be after. The way he is now we know he can win stages at the Tour or any other GT.
 
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Summing up the level of someone’s physical status as follows: “he can carry out normal daily activities: walking around, changing clothes, moving his arm” just 6 weeks prior the start of a GT is hardly ideal. I don’t know what’s possible from him but it’s difficult to understand why some folks say he’ll be ready for the Tour, no problem.

ed. Better sentence would be “difficult to understand why some folks think it will be no problem for him to be ready for the Tour.”
My opinion is based on similar cases that happened in the past (across multiple sports). There were cases where it took longer for athletes to come back but those are the exception.

I also think his team doesn't want to put any pressure on his return. So why would they out of nowhere started saying they have high hopes he could be at 100% for the tour? IMO they wouldn't be saying that unless they are certian he can make it (barring unforeseen setbacks).

Only time will tell.
 
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I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.
They never said what the team plan. But we all fairly well decided he is not a GC rider and maybe was riding for appearance fee, days in pink, and possibly the points classification jersey
 
86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.
 
86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.
Tour is a mirage.
 
86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.
So you’re saying there’s a chance
 
86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.

From another article posted recently in this thread: his coach is worried about reduced oxygen uptake and muscles strength. The Tour participation seems only a PR stunt at the moment.
 
Yes, Vingegaard's injuries were way more serious than Pogacar suffered and the clock is ticking. For a grand tour contender these injuries would make it borderline impossible to be ready for the TdF - as @Krzysztof_O posted. Reading the above, I'd be surprised if he starts the TdF, even the Vuelta must be in doubt now.

Recovering from day to day stage racing efforts has absolutely zero equivalence to the human body recovering from the physical trauma that Vingegaard suffered. They are completely different things. Plus, no two injuries are the same.

Obviously Visma are doing PR. If I was a fan my position would be assume Vingegaard is out of the TdF and if he can make it its a bonus.
 
Recovering from day to day stage racing efforts has absolutely zero equivalence to the human body recovering from the physical trauma that Vingegaard suffered. They are completely different things.
Are those types of recovery really different? What scientific basis is there for this statement?

I reckon that anyone with high levels of anabolic hormones, such as an average 18 year old male, say, will recover from either traumatic injury or excessive exercise faster than someone with lower levels, such as an average 80 yo man.
 
Are those types of recovery really different? What scientific basis is there for this statement?

I reckon that anyone with high levels of anabolic hormones, such as an average 18 year old male, say, will recover from either traumatic injury or excessive exercise faster than someone with lower levels, such as an average 80 yo man.
It should not require explaining. If you can find a link to any reputable medical opinion (not Visma PR) that suggests otherwise feel free to share.