Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Froome]

There's no "surprise" other than if Jonas does roll in it will be to train. UAE is pretty much a lock on team depth.

Do you have some information inside the team? Because according to the team he will only go to the Tour if he can be competitive.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So the gossip is that he will make it to the Tour, right? While I'm probably not the biggest Skeletor fan here (@Froome is arguably bigger!) his presence would definitely add spice to the Tour. Teddy won't sleep well knowing that his kryptonite is present. Anyway, let's wait for the official decision.

 

[Cookster15]

I think you are right. It's his ridingstyle. But I still don't think it runs smoothly at all. That's not possible after what happened. But he still has more than a week to get the right pedal stroke. He will be very close (not quite) to his top form in ten days.

Top form? Not sure if I missed anything as news changes every day but from everything I have read about the seriousness of Vingegaard's injuries I very much doubt ten days is enough.

Forget his riding style in a video, he suffered a punctured lung remember? Pretty sure he can train at altitude or whatever. But be at close to his incredible 2023 TdF level - eg Combloux TT? I think we need to be realistic. I won't be the only one stunned if we see anything like that.

 

[Froome]

Top form? Not sure if I missed anything as news changes every day but from everything I have read about the seriousness of Vingegaard's injuries I very much doubt ten days is enough.

Forget his riding style in a video, he suffered a punctured lung remember? Pretty sure he can train at altitude or whatever. But be at close to his incredible 2023 TdF level - eg Combloux TT? I think we need to be realistic. I won't be the only one stunned if we see anything like that.

Every rider recovers in a different way, but i am very optimistic after seeing the perfomance of Steff Cras at Tour of Slovenia.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Top form? Not sure if I missed anything as news changes every day but from everything I have read about the seriousness of Vingegaard's injuries I very much doubt ten days is enough.

Forget his riding style in a video, he suffered a punctured lung remember? Pretty sure he can train at altitude or whatever. But be at close to his incredible 2023 TdF level - eg Combloux TT? I think we need to be realistic. I won't be the only one stunned if we see anything like that.

Vingo (after stage 4): On paper I lost a lot time today but the race won't be decided by minutes.
YouKnowWho (during stage 21): Show the world who's the strongest!

 

[danielovichdk2]

I have been wondering if has received stem cell treatment after his injuries.

 

[awavey]

You do realize that, if he's declared a non-starter now that Pogacar as last year's #2 at the Tour that UAE would move up to the #1 team. Along with that all of the positioning perks in the caravan and busses would change.
If I'm wrong; someone correct me.
There's no "surprise" other than if Jonas does roll in it will be to train. UAE is pretty much a lock on team depth.

I think the positioning rules for team vehicles based on prior winning or being the #1 team/rider, only really apply on the 1st stage, as after that its then all about GC of the current race.

 

[Oldermanish]

I think the positioning rules for team vehicles based on prior winning or being the #1 team/rider, only really apply on the 1st stage, as after that its then all about GC of the current race.

Of course, I should have mentioned that that is in flux for the race caravan. It seems as though the assignments on team buses and related activities stayed constant. The #1 team generally had the closest, most convenient positioning. Not that that's a huge thing since UAE is #2.
The publicity element for JV is puzzling, though. There isn't any real strategic reason to suggest Jonas has a level of recovery to either start, race seriously or dominate that couldn't be confirmed in the very first stage. It's got to be more about publicity ala' Netflix or other marketing benefits. You can't blame them since the basis for those major sponsor exposures were set up long ago. Kind hard to tell those that have already sponsor-funded "Sorry. Half our support riders are injured and two stars may/may not finish....or start." They need hope to get that money.

 

[Bolder]

Do you have some information inside the team? Because according to the team he will only go to the Tour if he can be competitive.

"Competitive" could mean a lot of things. But I think he has to start, there's nothing wrong with giving it a shot if he's pain free. In fact I would expect it from a professional athlete.

 

[Lequack]

The Dutch are trying to stir more controversy.

Jonas Vingegaard is a worthy servant for Matteo Jorgenson
"Vingegaard as a servant?
“Yes”, is Visma’s answer | Lease a Bike. Kuss has also shown a Grand Tour with his overall victory in the Vuelta a Espana last year to win a Grand Tour. The question now is whether Vingegaard can support both Americans in his condition as a helper."

Jonas Vingegaard is een waardige knecht voor Matteo Jorgenson

Discussie Het hoofdpijndossier van Visma | Lease a Bike blijft de gemoederen bezighouden. Nog altijd is niet duidelijk of Jonas Vingegaard de Tour de France haalt, maar sportief directeur Merijn Zeeman opende maandagavond wel deuren. Eerst moest de Deen 100% fit zijn om te kunnen meedoen voor de...

www.wielerflits.nl

 

[QueenStagiaire]

The Dutch are trying to stir more controversy.

Jonas Vingegaard is a worthy servant for Matteo Jorgenson
"Vingegaard as a servant?
“Yes”, is Visma’s answer | Lease a Bike. Kuss has also shown a Grand Tour with his overall victory in the Vuelta a Espana last year to win a Grand Tour. The question now is whether Vingegaard can support both Americans in his condition as a helper."

Jonas Vingegaard is een waardige knecht voor Matteo Jorgenson

Discussie Het hoofdpijndossier van Visma | Lease a Bike blijft de gemoederen bezighouden. Nog altijd is niet duidelijk of Jonas Vingegaard de Tour de France haalt, maar sportief directeur Merijn Zeeman opende maandagavond wel deuren. Eerst moest de Deen 100% fit zijn om te kunnen meedoen voor de...

www.wielerflits.nl

German Google Translate tells me that Visma are aiming for this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endsieg

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

German Google Translate tells me that Visma are aiming for this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endsieg

Deepl says "Finalsieg". JCL used to say or still does say Endsieg quite often, but he's Swiss so I guess that explains it. Always gave me a really weird feeling hearing it.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

The Dutch are trying to stir more controversy.

Jonas Vingegaard is a worthy servant for Matteo Jorgenson
"Vingegaard as a servant?
“Yes”, is Visma’s answer | Lease a Bike. Kuss has also shown a Grand Tour with his overall victory in the Vuelta a Espana last year to win a Grand Tour. The question now is whether Vingegaard can support both Americans in his condition as a helper."

Jonas Vingegaard is een waardige knecht voor Matteo Jorgenson

Discussie Het hoofdpijndossier van Visma | Lease a Bike blijft de gemoederen bezighouden. Nog altijd is niet duidelijk of Jonas Vingegaard de Tour de France haalt, maar sportief directeur Merijn Zeeman opende maandagavond wel deuren. Eerst moest de Deen 100% fit zijn om te kunnen meedoen voor de...

www.wielerflits.nl

What is also very interesting is that Zeeman is backpaddeling when it comes to Vingegaards possible form. Which is not so surprising given his injuries and what came out as news (the little there was) over the last month.
The argument made in the article is that Vingegaard could only still be of use in the Tour this season, because he will miss the Vuelta for personal reasons, so they could take him as a domestique (which the authors claim would be unproblematic because of his personality).

Makes me wonder if he'll show up at all.

 

[Red Rick]

Lol. Just send him to the Vuelta.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

What is also very interesting is that Zeeman is backpaddeling when it comes to Vingegaards possible form. Which is not so surprising given his injuries and what came out as news (the little there was) over the last month.
The argument made in the article is that Vingegaard could only still be of use in the Tour this season, because he will miss the Vuelta for personal reasons, so they could take him as a domestique (which the authors claim would be unproblematic because of his personality).

Makes me wonder if he'll show up at all.

He will be a domestique until the third week, when they will finally get the God of Watts protocol going.

 

[sam6]

What is also very interesting is that Zeeman is backpaddeling when it comes to Vingegaards possible form. Which is not so surprising given his injuries and what came out as news (the little there was) over the last month.
The argument made in the article is that Vingegaard could only still be of use in the Tour this season, because he will miss the Vuelta for personal reasons, so they could take him as a domestique (which the authors claim would be unproblematic because of his personality).

Makes me wonder if he'll show up at all.

He could still target Worlds and Lombardia. I suspect Pogi will beat him in them as he has the better sprint and is better in one-day races but he would probably be third favourite after Pogi and Roglic for those races. I'd be interested to see him seriously target them

 

[Potomac]

What they should have done is said "No Jonas for TdF" the entire time, and then surprise everyone with the latest possible entry moment.

That would have been the biggest mind game they could have played on UAE.

 

[Froome]

What they should have done is said "No Jonas for TdF" the entire time, and then surprise everyone with the latest possible entry moment.

That would have been the biggest mind game they could have played on UAE.

Difficult to do that when you are 1 month in altitude at Tignes before the Tour. It would be very suspicious.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Difficult to do that when you are 1 month in altitude at Tignes before the Tour. It would be very suspicious.

Nah, they would say he is spending time with family and considering retirement. Riding in the Alps in some disguise would be enough. Imagine Teddy's face at the Tour presentation then!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H_DSErYUZk

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Nah, they would say he is spending time with family and considering retirement. Riding in the Alps in some disguise would be enough. Imagine Teddy's face at the Tour presentation then!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H_DSErYUZk

Is that Remco after a few days off the bike (allegedly)?

 

[Rackham]

I wonder whether he had very fast progress initially but since then he's not quite 'there' in terms of numbers, i.e. at least not where they want to be with ten days to go. It would explain some of the Mallorca hype & buzz when he went to Tignes, then now some of the backpaddling.

I mean trying to 'lower expectations' or go unnoticed & underhyped is completely impossible anyway because we're talking about Jonas Vingegaard. What do you think UAE is going to do on the first day? They're going to go hard as possible to test Vingegaard. Then they'll do the same on stage 4 as well.

There will be no hiding. Either he's at the right level & he'll show it immediately (& he'll be seen as the number one contender by everyone), or he's not & he'll get found out. But even then UAE will continue to 'punish' him whenever they can.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say there's only one rider Pog 'fears' in the Tour & that's Jonas Vingegaard.

 

[Froome]

Is that Remco after a few days off the bike (allegedly)?

At least now Remco weighs less because he doesn't have this hair, but logic is still complaining.

Vingegaard had a similar hair.

 

[Froome]

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Vingegaard had a similar hair.

As did I many years ago, as this photo I posted in the race design thread can confirm. However nowadays I'm just a brown haired guy who eats 235 carbs an hour like the pros, but never does any training.

 

[meat puppet]

Never trust a visma principle says he'll come in red hot.