Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard: The Wizard of Visma

[Samu Cuenca]

I didn't like the new title either, so now we're almost back to the classic one.

I actually hope he won't win the Tour, so we'll be spared from yet another version of this.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwbqIMGxXX8&ab_channel=Capser272

 

[Red Rick]

Great ride today. Not so much happy that he won, rather that Pogacar is human. However, he raced with guts today, which he sometimes lacked in the past. So good for him. And us.

Yes. Biggest reason beyond the stage yesterday was exciting is that this means future Tours can be very comptetitive.

 

[SarahtheDane]

I didn't like the new title either, so now we're almost back to the classic one.

I actually hope he won't win the Tour, so we'll be spared from yet another version of this.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwbqIMGxXX8&ab_channel=Capser272

Come on, Jonas fits so well in that song!

Btw, I can't believe it's been so long. The years between Riis-Sastre are fewer than between Sastre-(potentially)Jonas. As someone who was barely 3 when Riis won, this feels sorta weird.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looking at his name it's clear that he's from Dorwinion and not from Denmark

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Come on, Jonas fits so well in that song!

Btw, I can't believe it's been so long. The years between Riis-Sastre are fewer than between Sastre-(potentially)Jonas. As someone who was barely 3 when Riis won, this feels sorta weird.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKpojMftoE&t=14s

 

[cen]

It started here

View: https://youtu.be/kWz2MvLlOEw?t=111

 

[inri2000]

I didn't like the new title either, so now we're almost back to the classic one.

I actually hope he won't win the Tour, so we'll be spared from yet another version of this.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwbqIMGxXX8&ab_channel=Capser272

I remember two songs related to Riis Tour exploits, the one from 1996 was not very good, but I remember one from the year he finished 3rd but weirdly I can't find a trace of it anywhere online. But I do remember part of the lyrics:
"Han skal nok få ram på Zulle, Indurain han får at føle, og den stakkels Jalabert, ham går det stadig værre"

Are any one of you Danes able to remember it?

 

[sir fly]

Exploited the favoured ground well.
Now becomes testing.

 

[Jeppeb]

I remember two songs related to Riis Tour exploits, the one from 1996 was not very good, but I remember one from the year he finished 3rd but weirdly I can't find a trace of it anywhere online. But I do remember part of the lyrics:
"Han skal nok få ram på Zulle, Indurain han får at føle, og den stakkels Jalabert, ham går det stadig værre"

Are any one of you Danes able to remember it?

Apropos Riis sange:

View: https://youtu.be/-O0nrv2dW3A

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Apropos Riis sange:

View: https://youtu.be/-O0nrv2dW3A

Please delete that. It belongs in another section of the forum. And the best Riis song is of course made by Red Warszawa.

 

[inri2000]

Point taken with those replies, I have personally never understood the extreme animosity towards Riis given the environment he raced in at the time.

Armstrong was the only one that really grated me considering the hypocrisy with Livestrong etc, and especially how he publicly bullied anyone who tried to question him. But even him I can't stay mad at, I even liked one of his tweets the other day. Life is too short to hate people in my opinion.

 

[inri2000]

Back on topic, I'm surprised the Jumbo train is already getting so much hate for being boring in the stage thread, they had one day riding conservatively/boring after going all out yesterday. It's way too early to say they are anything like Team Sky in their heyday, so far they have been much more like Team CSC/Saxobank at their peak.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

I think one cannot hate Jumbo for what they have been through. After all, in the race that counts most, the Tour GC, they always failed. It‘s called Rabofail. They have always been the likeable losers.

Imagine if they really win this TdF GC. The impossible would come true, then.

USPS, Sky and UAE are always considered the winners. JV are considered the losers.

And don‘t forget, JV has much less money than UAE or Ineos.

 

[Netserk]

Ditch Harper!
Jonas Vingegaard is the new Rasmussen.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yeah, can we please get Harper out and Rasmussen in. The similarities to 2007 are too striking to be a coincidence by now.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Ditch Harper!
Jonas Vingegaard is the new Rasmussen.

Yeah, can we please get Harper out and Rasmussen in. The similarities to 2007 are too striking to be a coincidence by now.

You know what, I'm just going to Harper him even harder!

But maybe I'll change it after the start of stage 17.

 

[Cookster15]

Point taken with those replies, I have personally never understood the extreme animosity towards Riis given the environment he raced in at the time.

Armstrong was the only one that really grated me considering the hypocrisy with Livestrong etc, and especially how he publicly bullied anyone who tried to question him. But even him I can't stay mad at, I even liked one of his tweets the other day. Life is too short to hate people in my opinion.

The extreme animosity stems from what arrived at the Tour in 1996. This was a new animal to the one who was cannon fodder to Indurain and Rominger in 1993. Why can't be discussed here. Then of course he went on to have a very successful career despite all we now know.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Interesting that, per Cycling Graphs, that final climb in the Dauphine with Roglic was still far and away Vingegaard’s best performance in terms of w/kg. And it looked very easy. Has anyone ever gone so unexpectedly from no one to world beater so quickly? Aside, I guess, from Chris Froome?

 

[bill1109]

Please delete that. It belongs in another section of the forum. And the best Riis song is of course made by Red Warszawa.

Still...Riis saying his yellow jersey is in a box in his garage and that they can come pick it up is one of the best quotes i have heard in a while

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Armstrong was the only one that really grated me considering the hypocrisy with Livestrong etc, and especially how he publicly bullied anyone who tried to question him. But even him I can't stay mad at, I even liked one of his tweets the other day. Life is too short to hate people in my opinion.

Lance was and is so over the top. No part of me hates Lance, and some part of me even likes him, but I do find it annoying how arrogant and unrepentant he is on The Move. Every year he seems a little more emboldened to the point he is back to peak Lance with zero absolutely sense of shame. Anything humble pie he ate was for a purpose, not reflective of regret ir newfound empathy. Calling Contador “a little creep,” Landis a “piece of s***,” being dismissive of Froome today, always running his mouth about his 7 Tours and how he “never got a bottle for a teammate” or worked for anyone else. Just annoying to see he found a profitable new market for his personality. Having said that, I still listen to The Move, so I guess I’m part of it.

 

[Netserk]

Interesting that, per Cycling Graphs, that final climb in the Dauphine with Roglic was still far and away Vingegaard’s best performance in terms of w/kg. And it looked very easy. Has anyone ever gone so unexpectedly from no one to world beater so quickly? Aside, I guess, from Chris Froome?

I take it you mean that he was no one in the 2020 Vuelta and world beater in the 2021 Itzulia (or UAE Tour)? While he clearly stepped up quite a bit, I don't generally find it remarkable that a rider has a breakthrough season at 24 the year after their first GT.

 

[ciranda]

Interesting that, per Cycling Graphs, that final climb in the Dauphine with Roglic was still far and away Vingegaard’s best performance in terms of w/kg. And it looked very easy. Has anyone ever gone so unexpectedly from no one to world beater so quickly? Aside, I guess, from Chris Froome?

In Itzulia 2019 he was 12th on the last stage, the hardest day in the hardest one week race in the calendar. That was his second race as a professional. Then he was in Tour de Romandie as support for Roglic, then broke a collarbone and started again in Tour de Pologne, where he won the hardest stage, then second overall in Tour of Denmark and 8th overall in Tour of Germany.

It was a very very promising first pro season.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Jonas. If you can pull this off. Then try to beat Pogi on a couple of other races too. Otherwise it will look bad.

 

[inri2000]

The extreme animosity stems from what arrived at the Tour in 1996. This was a new animal to the one who was cannon fodder to Indurain and Rominger in 1993. Why can't be discussed here. Then of course he went on to have a very successful career despite all we now know.

He was 5th in 1993 and 3rd in 1995, so I don't really get your point. 1996 was the year Indurain collapsed and there was no obvious heir until the rise of Ullrich and Armstrong soon after.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Jonas. If you can pull this off. Then try to beat Pogi on a couple of other races too. Otherwise it will look bad.

Perhaps the Tour is only training ahead of the Vuelta?
At least I've heard that's the right way to do it.