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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard: The Wizard of Visma

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David Walsh's piece on yesterday's stage included a section on Vingo's background which I found interesting (guess many here knew all this already but a couple of things were new to me).

Full article (paywall): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tour-de-france-jonas-vingegaard-rides-out-of-sight

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And what of Vingegaard? Where, you say, has he come from?

Put yourself on the Jumbo-Visma team bus before the 2019 Ruta del Sol, a five-day stage race in February. Such early-season races are not considered important but Jumbo team director Frans Maassen has a problem. The team’s new rider, Jonas Vingegaard, has just thrown up and seems feverish.

There isn’t a doctor available and Vingegaard says he’s OK to ride the race. This has been a problem in the past, especially during his teenage years. Before important races, he would get physically sick. The Ruta del Sol was his first race as a full-time professional and the thought of it was just too much.

Maassen talked to him, reassuring the debutant there was no pressure. Just relax and enjoy the experience. Except that Vingegaard could not. He was one of the weakest riders in the race, finishing 109th of 114. Maassen wondered if the team had made a mistake. They had wanted to hire Julius Johansen from third-tier Danish team ColoQuick but backed out of that when discovering Johansen was still in his teens.

ColoQuick’s sports director Christian Andersen suggested they look at Vingegaard. He said the 21-year-old began work at 5am in a fish factory so that he could ride his bike in the afternoon. Andersen also said he had talent. Jumbo sports director Grischa Niermann decided to take a chance.

Two months later, Vingegaard is part of the Jumbo team at the six-stage Tour of the Basque Country. Maassen, remembering Vingegaard’s troubles in the south of Spain, tells the rider to just do his best to get through it. Then Maassen sees what he’s doing on a climb and says to the mechanic in the team car: “F***, it’s incredible, that kid is flying up the mountain.”

Maassen knew then that Vingegaard had huge potential. This is also the moment Vingegaard himself feels that maybe he belongs at the highest level.

Later that season he goes to the Tour of Poland and wins for the first time at the elite level, out-sprinting Pavel Sivakov and Jai Hindley at the end of the hilly stage. For a young man who had been working in a fish factory a year before, this was a hugely encouraging result. Vingegaard got the leader’s jersey and all he had to do was hold onto it on a similarly hilly final stage.

But the responsibility of seeing out the race weighed so heavily he could not sleep. At breakfast that morning, he could not eat and so began his first defence of a leader’s jersey in a professional race without sleep or food. He finished 14min 30sec down, dropping from first to 26th. He beats himself up when this happens, like he has always done.

The team know they have a hugely talented rider and also a complex young man who can get too nervous and fearful of letting people down. They recommend that he goes to an academy in the Netherlands that has a good sports psychology department. If he could believe in himself, they know he has the talent to be at the top level.

During the lockdown in 2020, the team asked the riders to do a ten-minute effort at maximum effort at their homes. They were staggered by the results. Vingegaard recorded better numbers than every other rider, Wout van Aert and Primoz Roglic included. Vingegaard was not entirely happy with this.

In a piece for the Danish newspaper Politiken, Vingegaard explained to Soren Lissner how he reacted to his rise at Jumbo-Visma. “Earlier in my career, I liked that it wasn’t me who was responsible for delivering the result,” he said. “Of course I wanted to win the bike race. But I had a hard time being on one of the world’s best cycling teams and being the one who has to perform when seven insanely talented riders have crashed into the fence for me.

“I feared falling through, finishing 50th and disappointing them. That was what I couldn’t let go of that night in Poland. The result of the test during the corona[virus] shutdown f***ed me up mentally. I suddenly put a lot of pressure on myself again and couldn’t handle it. If I was the one who delivered the best test, I also had to win the bike race, otherwise it might not matter. I got too nervous again when I had to ride the races.”

“Trine [Vingegaard’s wife] has been the best help and really made me realise that there is a tomorrow if I don’t win today. That thought has done so much for me. As a rider I have got a little more hair on my chest. I became a father and discovered that a bad result on the bike didn’t make me a worse person.”

Maassen says Trine Hansen has been the key to Vingegaard overcoming his nervousness. “We tried to get help for him in the Netherlands, but the best help came from Trine. She has been crucial on the mental level. She convinced him he could win the Tour.”

Early in the 2021 season, at the Coppi e Bartali race in Italy, Vingegaard was the designated leader of a team of young, inexperienced riders. The hope was that he would feel more comfortable leading riders who were younger and less talented. It worked. He won the race and it was clear he was learning to cope with expectation.

At the 2021 Tour de France, he was there to support Roglic and only took on the leadership after the Slovenian had abandoned. He finished second and was the only rider to challenge Pogacar on his march to a second title.

By then Vingegaard knew he could win the Tour. He beat Pogacar decisively in 2022 and he returned to this Tour with greater self-belief. He said the race would not be decided by seconds.

It was inevitable that after such dominant performances over the past two days, he would again be asked about doping and what the team could do to allay fears of those not quite sure what they’re watching. “For me it’s hard to tell what more you can say,” he said. “I understand that it’s hard to trust in cycling with the past there has been. But I think nowadays everyone is different than they were 20 years ago. And I can tell from my heart that I don’t take anything. I don’t take anything I would not give to my daughter, and I would definitely not give her any drugs.”

In cycling there is a beauty that some worship, others question. It is the nature of things. So far there has been nothing to suggest Jonas Vingegaard is not who he says he is.
 
Vingegaard is the team leader. If he wants to challenge Remco at la Vuelta, that should be his choice. Not a *** move for wanting a double over Rog's double
Of cause it is. Being in a hierarchical position to pull the move doesn’t mean it’s not a dock move.

Rogi is spending time away from family prepping for it and then on a whim Jonas decides he needs to win vuelta as well?

If Jonas wants Tour-Vuelta double he should aim for that next year. Give the team time to plan for it.

Either way I don’t think it’s something he is looking at. Last year he was very vocal about being absolutely spent and needing time with family, don’t think that has changed a lot, JV will go for Lombardia. If he wanted to do Vuelta, as a gc guy, he would need to start preparing for that almost immediately.
 
I don't believe that vingegaard is going to la vuelta, but if he goes to la vuelta, he should be the super dom of roglic. Roglic deserve that respect, and i bet vingegaard would love to do that for roglic.

In terms of tour de france in the future for roglic, it’s impossible for him to be the main leader in the tour with jumbo. Vingegaard will be the main leader in the next years, he earned that right.

The only way i see to roglic goes to the tour with jumbo, is of the dynamics of the race change in the next year. Maybe if ayuso goes to the tour with pogacar, jumbo will go with roglic and vingegaard, but even with that situation, roglic will have to work to Vingegaard. Vingegaard is not also the stronger guy, but also the best GT rider in the world.
 
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I don't believe that vingegaard is going to la vuelta, but if he goes to ta la vuelta, he should be the super dom of roglic. Roglic deserve that respect, and i bet vingegaard would love to do that for roglic.

In terms of tour de france in the future for roglic, it’s impossible for him to be the main leader in the tour with jumbo. Vingegaard will be the main leader in the next years, he earned that right.

The only way i see to roglic goes to the tour with jumbo, is of the dynamics of the race change in the next year. Maybe if ayuso goes to the tour with pogacar, jumbo will go with roglic and vingegaard, but even with that situation, roglic will have to work to Vingegaard. Vingegaard is not also the stronger guy, but also the best GT rider in the world.
We'll see in about a year😉
 
I don't believe that vingegaard is going to la vuelta, but if he goes to ta la vuelta, he should be the super dom of roglic. Roglic deserve that respect, and i bet vingegaard would love to do that for roglic.

In terms of tour de france in the future for roglic, it’s impossible for him to be the main leader in the tour with jumbo. Vingegaard will be the main leader in the next years, he earned that right.

The only way i see to roglic goes to the tour with jumbo, is of the dynamics of the race change in the next year. Maybe if ayuso goes to the tour with pogacar, jumbo will go with roglic and vingegaard, but even with that situation, roglic will have to work to Vingegaard. Vingegaard is not also the stronger guy, but also the best GT rider in the world.
Agree on vuelta. I don’t think Jonas is up for starting reckon rides and altitude training before august arrives. He could show up rather cold and loose ten mins the first few days and then be ready to do some serious pulls in the last half of the race; if he wants to, which I doubt.

Jumbo Visma is a bit wonky at times. But I think showing up with three leaders with one double winner(soon to be) is at least one too many, probably one and a half.
If Wout moves team or decides to skip it, then maybe(maybe!) they could fit Rogi in the team and then it’s up to him to follow and win the TTs or yeah tell him to shadow Ayuso. But traditional cycling logic dictates that Jumbo has only one leader next year and then Wout is allowed to free agent because he is a freak of nature and he gives more than he takes away.
 
David Walsh's piece on yesterday's stage included a section on Vingo's background which I found interesting (guess many here knew all this already but a couple of things were new to me).

Full article (paywall): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tour-de-france-jonas-vingegaard-rides-out-of-sight

Extract:

Tx. Interesting.

It might explain how Wout and Kuss were largely left free and not required to support Vingo that much in2021. They probably knew that would add pressure on Vingo and he would not perform. So what a lot of people thought was bad teamwork, may have been astute psychological mentoring.
 
Who would win between Vingegaard and peak Froome (2013-2015)?
I was interested in that as well and looked back at some of Froome's performances. My conclusion is that he would have been nowhere near Vingegaard (or Pogacar).

Tx. Interesting.

It might explain how Wout and Kuss were largely left free and not required to support Vingo that much in2021. They probably knew that would add pressure on Vingo and he would not perform. So what a lot of people thought was bad teamwork, may have been astute psychological mentoring.
I believe that was indeed the reason. Make Vingegaard the team leader without making him the team leader, so to speak. Although reportedly that win in Coppi e Bartali was already a huge step for him. Back then it was a win nobody noticed or cared about :)
 
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Shots fired!!!!

"Pogacar has been attacking me for 15 days. Because of his aggressiveness, I understood that at some point he would explode. Those who shoot too much are insecure and in the end they pay for it," the Danish cyclist told the media present at the interview.

from cyclinguptodate.com
I don‘t think Pogačar has done a single attack where he expended way more energy than Vingegaard, outside of maybe a full 900 meters on Stage 15. I‘m sure that one was what did him in.
 
Shots fired!!!!

"Pogacar has been attacking me for 15 days. Because of his aggressiveness, I understood that at some point he would explode. Those who shoot too much are insecure and in the end they pay for it," the Danish cyclist told the media present at the interview.

from cyclinguptodate.com
That's a copy-paste and Google Translate website. I would take that quote with a grain of salt. I think I read something similar somewhere, but with a tone that seemed more like Vingegaard.
 
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Vingegaard, absolutely. That said, 2013 Froome was really good and held yellow as soon as the race went uphill.
Froome usually took time on the first mountain stage or at some point showed he was very strong with his acceleration in one of those trademark Froome-attacks.

Other than that he just let his team control, train reeled in the guys that tried to attack or kept a high enough tempo that dropped the others one by one. Then he took time in the ITTs against the others, who were much weaker in those.
 
Froome usually took time on the first mountain stage or at some point showed he was very strong with his acceleration in one of those trademark Froome-attacks.

Other than that he just let his team control, train reeled in the guys that tried to attack or kept a high enough tempo that dropped the others one by one. Then he took time in the ITTs against the others, who were much weaker in those.
I would also say the competition was a little weaker then. Froome was mostly beating up on guys like nairo, Bardet and Uran, who were not as well rounded. But Froome was really, really good, in my opinion, all the background noise aside.
 
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I would also say the competition was a little weaker then. Froome was mostly beating up on guys like nairo, Bardet and Uran, who were not as well rounded. But Froome was really, really good, in my opinion, all the background noise aside.
Sky had a major advantage with their budget and team. There were no Jumbo or UAE around yet.

Froome obviously won, but to me he was never "good". He did win though. I think that is what I will have to say about him. He was a winner.
 

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