Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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There are a double standard, being condescending towards Visma.

UAE or Pogacar has been criticized for Pogacar not going to the Vuelta because he was supposedly favoring teammates. I think it's worse to go and spend 21 days racing to give it away the GT to a teammate.
In the first case, it allowed him to arrive to Zurich in good form and won WC; in the second, what did Vingegaard win with that decission?

It makes no sense to criticize the first case by using Visma as an example to say that such concessions don't happen with teammates at Visma, when at Visma there has been the greatest possible concession.

Entirely different situation though. Roglic was the main man. Vingegaard co-leader but they wondered how well his form would be. And indeed Vingegaard grew that Vuelta, the further we got into it. Then there was Remco implosion. After which Kuss comfortable lead the GC. It's considered bad optics to attack the leader of the GT if he's within your own team and even more so when the rivals had already proven more or less to not be good enough. Now personally i rather they race for it. But given those Vuelta circumstances and Kuss standing in Visma it was understandable.

I would not criticise Pogacar for prepping for WC instead of the Vuelta. I would criticise him for gifting a win to McNulty. Even if it was for his standards an unimportant race. In the same way I criticised WVA for gifting Laporte a win. Career wise it don't matter for either one. But i did not like it all the same. For some reason it's harder for me to criticise Jonas for that Vuelta. Logic says Vuelta is a way bigger race and you should attempt to win it. Which would have been my preference. But there is something weird about attacking the leader of a GT in your own team, when that leader has served you well in the past and is basically cruising to a GT win so long as he don't get attacked by his own teammates.
 

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Weaker performance than Valdezcaray in the Vuelta. Understandable considering this is a training camp and he will improve for July.
 
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If he Visma thought/hoped the race would be killed off today then that certainly wasn't accomplished, and given that his current time trial level is unknown perhaps it won't happen on Tuesday either. Still it could of course have been much worse, and he's definitely having a way better season than Froome was having at this point of the 2018 season.
 
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If he Visma thought/hoped the race would be killed off today then that certainly wasn't accomplished, and given that his current time trial level is unknown perhaps it won't happen on Tuesday either. Still it could of course have been much worse, and he's definitely having a way better season than Froome was having at this point of the 2018 season.
The race is done after today unless something happens to Jonas.
 
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i need him to win by six minutes , so gall must do a gall like in catalunya where he was the second strongest too
 
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If he Visma thought/hoped the race would be killed off today then that certainly wasn't accomplished, and given that his current time trial level is unknown perhaps it won't happen on Tuesday either. Still it could of course have been much worse, and he's definitely having a way better season than Froome was having at this point of the 2018 season.

I actually think it's done. Everyone bar Gall is more than a minute behind and Gall is extremely vulnerable in many situations.
After Tuesday most probably there won't be anyone within 2 minutes.
 
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I actually think it's done. Everyone bar Gall is more than a minute behind and Gall is extremely vulnerable in many situations.
After Tuesday most probably there won't be anyone within 2 minutes.

If Pellizzari and Hindley are the closest to him in GC without being too far behind after the time trial, BORA could be able to attack him without worrying about Decathlon hunting them down. Then questions are whether it will work and if they're even prepared to sacrifice one or possibly both of them for a shot at the victory.

Had Vingegaard taken a minute or more on everyone today, then their spirits would have been more crushed. Now there's still a chance, but of course if he keeps taking time here and there it won't matter much.
 
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Entirely different situation though. Roglic was the main man. Vingegaard co-leader but they wondered how well his form would be. And indeed Vingegaard grew that Vuelta, the further we got into it. Then there was Remco implosion. After which Kuss comfortable lead the GC. It's considered bad optics to attack the leader of the GT if he's within your own team and even more so when the rivals had already proven more or less to not be good enough. Now personally i rather they race for it. But given those Vuelta circumstances and Kuss standing in Visma it was understandable.

I would not criticise Pogacar for prepping for WC instead of the Vuelta. I would criticise him for gifting a win to McNulty. Even if it was for his standards an unimportant race. In the same way I criticised WVA for gifting Laporte a win. Career wise it don't matter for either one. But i did not like it all the same. For some reason it's harder for me to criticise Jonas for that Vuelta. Logic says Vuelta is a way bigger race and you should attempt to win it. Which would have been my preference. But there is something weird about attacking the leader of a GT in your own team, when that leader has served you well in the past and is basically cruising to a GT win so long as he don't get attacked by his own teammates.
So you shouldn't be too concerned about Jonas' "gifting" the Vuelta. If he'd opened the doors to all out team competition Roglic would have beaten both of them. When Roglic settled the pace down; the issue became settled. Don't lose sleep over what didn't happen among professional riders.
 
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So you shouldn't be too concerned about Jonas' "gifting" the Vuelta. If he'd opened the doors to all out team competition Roglic would have beaten both of them. When Roglic settled the pace down; the issue became settled. Don't lose sleep over what didn't happen among professional riders.
I am not. I just prefer competition in sports.
Also i am not convinced Roglic would come out on top. By the time it became an all Visma affair, Jonas had found his groove. Honestly i dont care either way. I also seem to disagree with Roglic fans on how events transpired (with visma and Kuss). But im not too invested in all that. I made clear my stance and see no need to discuss it further. As the stance of Roglic his fans seem directly opposed. They wont budge and i saw nothing that compels me to budge either. Aside that i find it somewhat funny i agree with Roglic that one should race for it whilst his fans seem to argue Roglic chose not to race for it.

I like cycling and i watch cycling. As such i naturally form opinions on pro cycling. But outside the riders i root for im not that invested in those opinions. I will tell you my opinion on the matter but at the end of the day i also dont actually care. For example i have a local football team i somewhat follow and i like that team to do well. When i watch a football match between other teams i dont really care about the outcome. But that does not stop me from forming opinions on their playstyle,... I just hope for a fun, entertaining and competitive match.

When remco was sprinting vs Skjelmose i was on the edge of my seat. When van aert sprinted vs Pogacar i was on the edge of my seat. When pogacar sprinted vs pidcock i was calm as a cucumber simply observing. I wanted a van aert win in roubaix and i like Remco. He is just a rider that draws me in. Meanwhile Pogacar and Pidcock can be replaced with other riders of the peloton and i would not feel any different. They are replaceable actors. I watched and enjoyed the san remo show but i also did not actually care who ended up winning. Thats is not to say i would not have preferred a Pidcock win. As i find Pogacar dominance uninteresting. I also ultimately do not care. If that makes sense. I was mildly dissapointed we got the predictable result again for a whole full second or so. But i also did not care if you what i mean. Whereas i would have been bummed out for at least 10 minutes if Remco had lost the sprint.

The misunderstanding about me truly caring about certain topics probably comes cause im no good at immediately dropping a topic. And i get more invested in the actual discussion and arguing my points than that i actually care about the topic at hand. I tend to continue arguing a topic for too long when i do not feel i have been proven wrong. That probably says negative things about me, but there you have it. At least i am not so bad as someone i know who routinely takes a stance that person does not even believe but simple does it to argue and at times make people boil for the heck of it. Getting a kick out of playing devil advocate.
 
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yeah , i think gall is most likely to finish second and he has the best chance to stay reasonably close in gc

The TT seems the best chance to increase the gap significantly. Obviously in the 3rd week it may turn out that Gall is not able to stay close to Vingegaard anymore and will lose a lot. Descending could let him down during that Dolomiti tappone as well.
 
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The TT seems the best chance to increase the gap significantly. Obviously in the 3rd week it may turn out that Gall is not able to stay close to Vingegaard anymore and will lose a lot. Descending could let him down during that Dolomiti tappone as well.
agree with all of that

but i also think he has the best chance to stay within six minutes
 
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50th pro win today. One behind Rolf Sørensen and he only won one Giro stage. He's also drawn level with Mads Pedersen in terms of GT stage wins.